9 Jan
2019
9 Jan
'19
5:42 a.m.
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019, Warner Losh wrote:
The name seems obvious because I've seen it for
the last 30 years. But
I've not seen it used elsewhere, nor have I seen it documented except in
relationship to Unix. It could have been called blkio or bufio or bio or
even just work or morework and still been as meaningful. VMS uses the
FDT table to process the IRPs sent down. RT-11 has a series of entry
points that have boring names. Other systems have a start routine
(though more often that is a common routine used by both the queue me
and isr functions). There is a wide diversity here...
I must admit that this is an interesting thread, just as long as it wasn't
called XXoptimize() unless you wanted a backlash from British English
speakers :-)
In hindsight I suppose that XXstrategy() is obvious, but back then, as you
ask? Dunno, but Ken might (if he's reading this thread).
One of my favo[u]rites is sched(); some pronounce it as "shed" and others
as "sked". Another American/British thing, I think...
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"?
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
ObGripe: Could anyone replying to the digest version please take the
trouble to update the Subject: line accordingly? I've now put the
original back as a courtesy to others, but I shouldn't have to; it's as
bad as top-posting.
-- Dave
9 Jan
9 Jan
12:02 p.m.
New subject: Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 12:43 AM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org wrote:
[snip]
Wasn't it Mark Twain who said "Two nations divided by a common language"?
Apocryphal, actually, but based on a line from one of George Bernard Shaw's
plays.
- Dan C.
3:12 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
4:09 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul(a)bitblocks.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org>
wrote:
Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
Warner
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in
the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book 
4:20 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of
the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
when the original was in roff.
I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at
all of us ;-)
ᐧ
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul(a)bitblocks.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org>
wrote:
Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
Warner
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in
the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
4:50 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
What was amusing was seeing what I thought was a copy tucked away on the
shelves of Kirk McKusick's library, next to weird things with odd labels
like "BSD 4.5" (really something between what we know as BSD 4.0 and BSD
4.1 when the notion was the next BSD release tape would be called BSD5)
next to more mundane ones like "V6" and "V32" etc. It's
definitely a piece
of folklore that turns up in the oddest places...
Warner
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 9:20 AM Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new
one to show some of
the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
when the original was in roff.
I wonder if the author as well as Dennis are both chuckling somewhere at
all of us ;-)
ᐧ
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:10 AM Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul(a)bitblocks.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org>
wrote:
Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
Warner
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in
the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
10:53 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
Silly idea: is there any way that the original books (red and orange) can
be legally reprinted somehow? Surely the original nroff sources must be
somewhere... Yeah, I know about the Copyright Act, but permission from
his estate?
-- Dave
5:50 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some of
the younger engineers at work). Having the text is wonderful, but it does
seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
when the original was in roff.
From the preface:
The co-operation of the
``nroff'' program
must also be mentioned. Without it,
these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has
yielded some of its more enigmatic
secrets so reluctantly, that the
author's gratitude is indeed mixed.
:-)
At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring.
Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought
a paper copy of the Lions book, right?
5:55 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 10:50 AM Bakul Shah <bakul(a)bitblocks.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 11:20:28 -0500 Clem Cole
<clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Yea. But the github version doesn't have the 'appendix' that the Amazon
version has with the listing with the line numbers as corresponding to the
book... :(
Warner
Ditto, (actually I have three -- two copies of the new one to show some
of
the younger engineers at work). Having the text
is wonderful, but it does
seems like a heretical act to be grepping through sources as Tex files;
when the original was in roff.
From the preface:
The co-operation of the ``nroff'' program
must also be mentioned. Without it,
these notes could never have been produced in this form. However it has
yielded some of its more enigmatic
secrets so reluctantly, that the
author's gratitude is indeed mixed.
:-)
At any rate use of the CM fonts is a bit jarring.
Everyone who downloaded these sources for grepping has bought
a paper copy of the Lions book, right?
5:20 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 8:13 AM Bakul Shah <bakul(a)bitblocks.com> wrote:
That one with hackers on the cover is still available on Amazon[1]. It was
published in 1996.
—Andy
[1]
https://www.amazon.com/Lions-Commentary-Unix-John/dp/1573980137/ref=sr_1_1?…
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 16:42:32 +1100 Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org>
wrote:
Cool! I have two copies: one bootleg photocopy from the 80's and one copy
of the paper that has the picture of the geeks on the cover photocopying
something... This is a lot easier to grep :)
I no longer have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in
the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
10:24 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019, Bakul Shah wrote:
Wow - many thanks! The most photocopied book in the world, as I recall...
-- Dave
I no longer
have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book 
11:09 p.m.
New subject: Lions book (not Origin of the name 'strategy'
Bakul Shah wrote:
Something to be printed and read once again.
I remember I had a couple of handmade copies of bwk's C tutorial from
'74,
printed from the converted to LaTeX documents...
--
caóc
I no longer
have my Lions books on me, sadly enough (lost in a house
move)
but there certainly were some peculiar names in the kernel...
https://github.com/kanner/lions-book
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