7 Dec
2017
7 Dec
'17
12:39 a.m.
Could someone please tell me how to get off this list? I was rather
appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
Deborah
7 Dec
7 Dec
12:41 a.m.
Deborah,
I'm pretty sure I know the conversation (and I don't believe I was a
part of it, just read it) and I'm 100% sure nobody intended to be
rude, they were just trying to get at an accurate history of what
happened.
I can see how you could take offense but I don't think any was intended
and it would be a loss if you left. Please reconsider.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
Could someone please tell me how to get off this list?
I was rather
appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
Deborah
12:55 a.m.
In the "good old days" of Unix, the community succeeded because we all
shared and treated each other with respect. Each listened to the
other. Sure, there were disagreements about technical issues, as well
there should have been, but they were rarely made personal. That's what
made that community great. I liked those times, and loved the people in
them. What happened to lose those aspects? I don't think I want to
be part of the new community where egos seem to run rampant...
Deborah
On 12/6/17 4:41 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
Deborah,
I'm pretty sure I know the conversation (and I don't believe I was a
part of it, just read it) and I'm 100% sure nobody intended to be
rude, they were just trying to get at an accurate history of what
happened.
I can see how you could take offense but I don't think any was intended
and it would be a loss if you left. Please reconsider.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
> Could someone please tell me how to get off this list? I was rather
> appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
>
> Deborah
1:21 a.m.
Hi Deborah,
I appreciate your comment. We need to be civil, especially in a world
where so little civility remains. We who celebrate the past do not want
our efforts to be diminished by our base demeanor. I do not think
leaving is the best option, however. Perhaps this could serve as a call
to our more honorable selves to step up and rethink our netiquette.
Stick it out and see if the dialog improves in tone after your putting
the community on notice. I think most folks on the list are reasonable
and honestly desirous of a positive community experience.
Regards,
Will
On 12/6/17 6:55 PM, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
In the "good old days" of Unix, the
community succeeded because we all
shared and treated each other with respect. Each listened to the
other. Sure, there were disagreements about technical issues, as well
there should have been, but they were rarely made personal. That's
what made that community great. I liked those times, and loved the
people in them. What happened to lose those aspects? I don't think
I want to be part of the new community where egos seem to run rampant...
Deborah
On 12/6/17 4:41 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
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Deborah,
I'm pretty sure I know the conversation (and I don't believe I was a
part of it, just read it) and I'm 100% sure nobody intended to be
rude, they were just trying to get at an accurate history of what
happened.
I can see how you could take offense but I don't think any was intended
and it would be a loss if you left. Please reconsider.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
> Could someone please tell me how to get off this list? I was rather
> appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
>
> Deborah
1:33 a.m.
+1 Will.
And just as an aside, Deborah used to be president of Usenix. She's part
of the history that this list is all about, I've appealed to her as well
to stick around.
Deborah, for the record, if it helps at all, Warren (who runs the
list), has booted at least one person who was not so cool (I'm biased
because I got into with that person, just so you know). If people are
repeatedly out of line, it's very rare that happens, but if they are it
will get taken care of. This is a friendly place, rudeness is not part
of the list.
I want to keep as many people around as possible, I love Unix, love
the history of it all, more history, more better. Please consider
giving the list a second chance.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 07:21:48PM -0600, Will Senn wrote:
Hi Deborah,
I appreciate your comment. We need to be civil, especially in a world where
so little civility remains. We who celebrate the past do not want our
efforts to be diminished by our base demeanor. I do not think leaving is the
best option, however. Perhaps this could serve as a call to our more
honorable selves to step up and rethink our netiquette. Stick it out and see
if the dialog improves in tone after your putting the community on notice. I
think most folks on the list are reasonable and honestly desirous of a
positive community experience.
Regards,
Will
On 12/6/17 6:55 PM, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
In the "good old days" of Unix, the
community succeeded because we all
shared and treated each other with respect.? Each listened to the other.?
Sure, there were disagreements about technical issues, as well there
should have been, but they were rarely made personal. That's what made
that community great.? I liked those times, and loved the people in
them.?? What happened to lose those aspects??? I don't think I want to be
part of the new community where egos seem to run rampant...
Deborah
On 12/6/17 4:41 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
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GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF Deborah,
I'm pretty sure I know the conversation (and I don't believe I was a
part of it, just read it) and I'm 100% sure nobody intended to be
rude, they were just trying to get at an accurate history of what
happened.
I can see how you could take offense but I don't think any was intended
and it would be a loss if you left.? Please reconsider.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
>Could someone please tell me how to get off this list?? I was rather
>appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
>
>Deborah
1:29 a.m.
Hi Deborah
I remember a time like that, although this was the early 2000's. I joined a
group of students at the local university. I must admit, Although the
students where abit arrogant, I learned alot not only from them but from
the staff that worked at the Computer Science department. I also learnt
that an old family friend helped start the Internet in South Africa. From
that, I learnt alot about history and to think outside of the box, with
what they "Jimmy Rigged" to save bandwidth in the early days.
I have been this mailing list for years and like then, I have learnt alot.
Not only about history but the basis for the technology we have now. Unlike
the students, it's extremely rare that egos come in to play. I think this
is the first. Granted I only read about 80% of the list due to time.
If I may be so bold and to ask you to to maybe remain a subscriber to the
list. As Larry has pointed out it would be a shame to have somebody with
knowledge depart due to a rare occurrence.
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:55 PM Deborah Scherrer <
dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
In the "good old days" of Unix, the
community succeeded because we all
shared and treated each other with respect. Each listened to the
other. Sure, there were disagreements about technical issues, as well
there should have been, but they were rarely made personal. That's what
made that community great. I liked those times, and loved the people in
them. What happened to lose those aspects? I don't think I want to
be part of the new community where egos seem to run rampant...
Deborah
On 12/6/17 4:41 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
Deborah,
I'm pretty sure I know the conversation (and I don't believe I was a
part of it, just read it) and I'm 100% sure nobody intended to be
rude, they were just trying to get at an accurate history of what
happened.
I can see how you could take offense but I don't think any was intended
and it would be a loss if you left. Please reconsider.
--lm
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
> Could someone please tell me how to get off this list? I was rather
> appalled at the rudeness in the previous conversation...
>
> Deborah
4:40 a.m.
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, Deborah Scherrer <
dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
In the "good old days" of Unix
<snip>
I don't think I want to be part of the new community where egos seem to
run rampant...
I do not want to add more fuel to the debate or even to judge anyone in it,
but just like to point out that egos were always big in this community, or
any other community, technical or not. It is just part of a human nature.
If there would not be egos running rampant, we would have one, and not four
Open Source BSD projects now. And dont even start me on the ego of RMS or
Linus... :D
It is a fallacy to believe that in the "good old days" people were better.
There is nothing new under the Sun and people were always the same...
for better or for worse.
Just my $0.02
--Andy
1:32 a.m.
Hi Deborah,
I too would prefer that you stay subscribed and hold the rest of us in the community to a
higher standard.
You asked a direct question, which deserves a direct answer. If you choose to
unsubscribe, you can do so at the following page.
http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
Thank you for your contributions.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
On Dec 6, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Deborah Scherrer
<dscherrer(a)solar.stanford.edu> wrote:
Could someone please tell me how to get off this list? I was rather appalled at the
rudeness in the previous conversation...
Deborah
4:11 a.m.
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
Could someone please tell me how to get off this list?
Deborah, I'll also add my voice in to ask for you to stay on the list.
There were things said that could have been expressed better, but I
don't think that there was malicious intent. You bring a wealth of
knowledge and experience to the TUHS list, and the list would be
poorer in your absence.
Yours sincerely, Warren
4:26 a.m.
Deborah, you've made this a better place,
so, please stay.
ken
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah
Scherrer wrote:
Could someone please tell me how to get off this list?
Deborah, I'll also add my voice in to ask for you to stay on the list.
There were things said that could have been expressed better, but I
don't think that there was malicious intent. You bring a wealth of
knowledge and experience to the TUHS list, and the list would be
poorer in your absence.
Yours sincerely, Warren
5:35 p.m.
Thanks for the many good words of support. Sure, I'll stay around.
Thanks again, everyone.
Deborah
On 12/6/17 8:26 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
Deborah, you've made this a better place,
so, please stay.
ken
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Deborah Scherrer wrote:
>> Could someone please tell me how to get off this list?
>
> Deborah, I'll also add my voice in to ask for you to stay on the list.
> There were things said that could have been expressed better, but I
> don't think that there was malicious intent. You bring a wealth of
> knowledge and experience to the TUHS list, and the list would be
> poorer in your absence.
>
> Yours sincerely, Warren
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