15 Sep
2019
15 Sep
'19
4:17 p.m.
The TUHS archive does not include /usr/src for v1. Does it
exist anywhere?
doug
10:09 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:
Speaking of which, I heard that the curses library was simply ripped out
of VI and made stand-alone; a rumour goes that the best test suite for
curses was the game "rogue" :-) I still play it from time to time, but
cannot get rog-o-matic to compile on the Mac.
-- Dave
The TUHS
archive does not include /usr/src for v1. Does it exist
anywhere?
We've not been able to find it, no :-( 
11:15 p.m.
Yes, Ken Arnold did both
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
On Sep 15, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:
Speaking of which, I heard that the curses library was simply ripped out of VI and made
stand-alone; a rumour goes that the best test suite for curses was the game
"rogue" :-) I still play it from time to time, but cannot get rog-o-matic to
compile on the Mac.
-- Dave
The TUHS
archive does not include /usr/src for v1. Does it exist anywhere?
We've not been able to find it, no :-( 
16 Sep
16 Sep
6:03 a.m.
No, Bill Joy did vi. Ken Arnold did curses. The vi code did all it's
stuff directly with the termlib library calls. (Use The Source, Luke!)
Curses provided a library explicitly for screen oriented stuff that worked
at a higher level.
Mary Anne can and should tell the story of the progression of curses
to System V and terminfo.
Arnold
Clem cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Yes, Ken Arnold did both
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.
> On Sep 15, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:
>
>>> The TUHS archive does not include /usr/src for v1. Does it exist anywhere?
>>
>> We've not been able to find it, no :-(
>
> Speaking of which, I heard that the curses library was simply ripped out of VI and
made stand-alone; a rumour goes that the best test suite for curses was the game
"rogue" :-) I still play it from time to time, but cannot get rog-o-matic to
compile on the Mac.
>
> -- Dave
2:40 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:03 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
No, Bill Joy did vi. Ken Arnold did curses. The vi
code did all it's
stuff directly with the termlib library calls.
Both of those statements are true. But the other truth is that Ken took
the code from vi to create the original curses library.
You are correct, vi did not use curses as a library. It was hard coded.
Similarly, termcap started out the same way. In fact, I know Cornell's
fred and I thought a number of other early Unix screen editors like the
original Rand e, were hardcoded for specific terminals (I personally put
the code for the Lsi and Fox into Fred which was what we mostly had at
CMU). As UCB got more and more different displays, the routines for
terminal control also got pulled out and put into a separate library. Mary
Ann eventually became the main person behind it and I'll let her add the
details of who did what (I'm under the impression, wnj did the first cut of
termlib and then Mary Ann overhauled it).
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