16 Jun
2018
16 Jun
'18
1:49 p.m.
From: Clem Cole
The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k range
in the mid to late
60s.
His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the Apple
II).
(Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart
homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy one;
perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)
Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U
'drawer'.
There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's; it
was used in a number of DEC word-processing products.
Noel
16 Jun
16 Jun
2:10 p.m.
New subject: core
Thanks, I thought it was about 10 years earlier. It means that the 16
bit systems were definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well under
design and the micros already birthed. That said, as I pointed out in my
paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was able to run UNIX (11/34 with
max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was configured and an
11/70 was closer to $250K. To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated that
comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher
in those days cost about $5-$10K per year.
ᐧ
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
From: Clem
Cole
The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k
range in the mid to
late
60s.
His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the Apple
II).
(Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart
homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy
one;
perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)
Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U
'drawer'.
There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's; it
was used in a number of DEC word-processing products.
Noel
2:34 p.m.
New subject: core
5-10K for a grad student seems low for the late ‘70s. I was an RA at Stanford then and
they paid about $950/month. The loaded cost would have been about twice that.
My lab had an 11/34 with V7 and we considered ourselves quite well off.
-L
On 2018, Jun 16, at 10:10 AM, Clem Cole
<clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Thanks, I thought it was about 10 years earlier. It means that the 16 bit systems were
definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well under design and the micros already
birthed. That said, as I pointed out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was
able to run UNIX (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was
configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K. To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated
that comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher in those
days cost about $5-$10K per year.
ᐧ
3:28 p.m.
New subject: core
I was a grad student at UWisc in 1986 and got paid $16K/year.
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 10:34:00AM -0400, Lawrence Stewart wrote:
5-10K for a grad student seems low for the late
???70s. I was an RA at Stanford then and they paid about $950/month. The loaded cost
would have been about twice that.
My lab had an 11/34 with V7 and we considered ourselves quite well off.
-L
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
On 2018, Jun 16, at 10:10 AM, Clem Cole
<clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Thanks, I thought it was about 10 years earlier. It means that the 16 bit systems were
definitely the norm and the 32 bit system were well under design and the micros already
birthed. That said, as I pointed out in my paper last summer, in 1977, a PDP-11 that was
able to run UNIX (11/34 with max memory) ran between $50-150K depending how it was
configured and an 11/70 was closer to $250K. To scale, In 2017 dollars, we calculated
that comes to $208K/$622K/$1M and as I also pointed out, a graduate researcher in those
days cost about $5-$10K per year.
???
2:10 p.m.
New subject: core
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Wasn't a one-chip PDP11 used by Tengen in a few arcade games, like
Paperboy?
-uso.
From: Clem
Cole
The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k
range in the mid to late
60s.
His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the Apple
II).
(Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about 'smart
homes'; still, the history of DEC and personal computers is not a happy one;
perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)
Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U
'drawer'.
There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the mid-70's; it
was used in a number of DEC word-processing products.
Noel
2:13 p.m.
New subject: core
Yup. IIRC they used the T11 -- the same chip in the Vax86xx front end.
Bill
On June 16, 2018 10:10:43 AM EDT, Steve Nickolas <usotsuki(a)buric.co> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:
to late
Apple
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
From:
Clem Cole
> The 8 pretty much had a base price in the $30k range in the mid 60s.
His statement was made in 1977 (ironically, the same year as the II).
(Not really that relevant, since he was apparently talking about
'smart
homes'; still, the history of DEC and
personal computers is not a
happy one;
perhaps why that quotation was taken up.)
mid-70's; it
Later models used TTL and got down to a single 3U
'drawer'.
There was eventually a single-chip micro version, done in the was used in a number of DEC word-processing
products.
Noel
Wasn't a one-chip PDP11 used by Tengen in a few arcade games, like
Paperboy?
-uso.
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