1 Oct
2003
1 Oct
'03
1 a.m.
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
The RPM file provided didn't build correctly. Remember I did say that
I use Slackware. I don't have a running instance of Red Hat here.
However, I was able to build a copy of SIMH straight from the current
source code. One thing does get to me, though. This creation moves a
lot slower on SIMH/VAX, then NetBSD, which worked well enough. I'm
guessing that this is indeed a populated pack you have here, but do
you have any idea as to why it's practically moving slower then a
tortoise? This is running on a Pentium 100.
As to your question, yes they are working on it, moving through the
2.4.2x series of kernels. It isn't pretty, but it is working. If you
want to join the list to offer complements, or comments, or just lurk,
go to their website, and tell the list-manager that I sent you. He'll
give you a good seat.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Markus Weber [mailto:jmbw@nather.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:40 PM
To: Gregg C Levine
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
Hi Gregg!
The src.rpm was built on Redhat 7.3, but you should be able to
rebuild in on
a more recent version of Redhat. There is, however, no
reason not to
do a
straight recompile of the simh sources. I simply
prefer to package
everything and thought I may save somebody else the bother.
My site runs Postnuke, which uses cookies internally. Unless you
want to
create an account and login, I doubt that it matters
one way or the
other if
you reject the cookies or not.
I would guess that the primary objective of simh/vax is to run
OpenVMS,
which it does just fine for me. If you wish, I can dig
up a URL for
a
beautiful installation-on-simh write-up. You can
really follow the
standard
instructions to the letter once simh is set up
properly.
It looks like simh can run most, if not all, BSD's. I'm happy with
Quasijaro - it has a certain sentimental value to observe 4.3BSD in
its
native habitat. Quasijaro has issues, but they can be
worked around.
NetBSD
1.5.2 works with a very minor install-time glitch.
OpenBSD is the
one I
still haven't figured out; there's an odd
fatal error when mounting
the root
filesystem. Or rather, there's something very odd
about the in-core
disklabel. Come to think of it, there is a common theme of problems
relating
to disk labels and first-time access of disks. By and
large, it's
not clear
(to me) in any of these cases if the emulation is
broken or simply
exposes
flaws in the OS.
So the Linux/Vax project is still alive?
Cheers
-Markus
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:02 PM
To: 'Markus Weber'; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
Just for the sake of argument, Markus, what was your build
environment
for your SRC RPM version of SIMH? Personally I use
Slackware Linux
here, and the source code files straight from Bob's site. Also, that
site kept wanting to set a cookie on my machine here. Is that a
normal
process?
Incidentally, the folks building Linux for the VAX, also use
SIMH/VAX
for testing, and sometimes even they have problems. So
the comment
regarding this product, and the VAX simulation is valid, just needs
to
be further tested.
I, myself, have used it, to boot either VAX VMS, (Didnt workout how
to install it on blank disk though.). or a relative of what we
discuss, as well.
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-----Original Message-----
From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
Behalf Of Markus Weber
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:05 AM
To: Joseph F. Young; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
Thanks to your help it works. Please see
ticl
Ultrix
e&
sid=22
for an annotated installation transcript. You'll find a
pre-installed disk
image in the site's Download section.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Young [mailto:jy99@swbell.net]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:50 PM
To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Cc: jy99(a)swbell.net
Subject: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
From my experience, you need to have a recent release of SIMH in
order to
run 4.3BSD. A few months ago, I managed to build
"working"
Quasijarus and
Reno disk images (Quasijarus appears to work fine
for me, but Reno
is as
> buggy as I remember it being on real hardware). I had to use and
> Netbsd to do the bootstrap/install; I could not get the tape boot
to
work
at all.
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1 Oct
1 Oct
2:46 a.m.
New subject: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
I wasn't even aware that Slackware had rpm... If you send me a typescript of
the build attempt, I can have a look. The version of rpm itself would also
help.
If you mean that the pre-installed system is slow, all I can say is that in
my environment all the BSDs perform well enough for light interactive use,
but running a compiler is not fun. OpenBSD/Vax takes about four hours to
recompile the generic kernel on a dual-1Ghz PIII. BTW, does NetBSD
outperform Quasijarus on real hardware? I suggest, however, to take the
performance analyis offlist and post the results at a later date.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:01 PM
To: 'Markus Weber'
Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
The RPM file provided didn't build correctly. Remember I did say that
I use Slackware. I don't have a running instance of Red Hat here.
However, I was able to build a copy of SIMH straight from the current
source code. One thing does get to me, though. This creation moves a
lot slower on SIMH/VAX, then NetBSD, which worked well enough. I'm
guessing that this is indeed a populated pack you have here, but do
you have any idea as to why it's practically moving slower then a
tortoise? This is running on a Pentium 100.
As to your question, yes they are working on it, moving through the
2.4.2x series of kernels. It isn't pretty, but it is working. If you
want to join the list to offer complements, or comments, or just lurk,
go to their website, and tell the list-manager that I sent you. He'll
give you a good seat.
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
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3:13 a.m.
New subject: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Markus Weber wrote:
I wasn't even aware that Slackware had rpm... If
you send me a typescript of
the build attempt, I can have a look. The version of rpm itself would also
help.
If worse comes to worse the Linux utility alien will convert debs, rpms
and .tgz files into each other. Thanks to the Linux Standards Base the
resulting file is _usually_ pretty ok for installation (a bit of munging
may be required, add salt to taste).
Rob
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7:10 a.m.
New subject: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive
On 2003.10.01 04:46 Markus Weber wrote:
BTW, does NetBSD outperform Quasijarus on real
hardware?
No. NetBSD has ELF and shared libs. The later saves space but involves
some overhead. When it comes to compiling NetBSD looses. NetBSD uses
GCC. GCC is _very_ slow. GCC 3.x is even slower. 4.3BSD-Tahoe /
Quasijarus uses pcc that is _much_ faster in compiling. I did a "make
world" of 4.3BSD-Tahoe on a KA655 based MicroVAX III and it took a day
or so. I would not even try this with NetBSD (as I have much faster NVAX
machines for this).
The thing with NetBSD is that you get a modern *ix like OS complete with
ssh etc. and features like mmap(2) that 4.3BSD-Tahoe doesn't have. If
you are running a VAX emulator on PeeCee hardware you can use the
exelent cross compile features of NetBSD to cross build kernels on your
PeeCee. (Or Alpha, PowerPC, UltraSparc, ...) You don't even need to run
NetBSD on the compile host.
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tschüß,
Jochen
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