I second some form of censure here. I already filter this person's email when I can, via my mail handler and client, but I am still subjected to his non-constructive constant arrogance when included in other's replies. Obviously I find his tact, social skills, and ethics reprehensible or I wouldn't have bothered taking the measures I have. Simply put, people are welcome to their opinions, but his are bordering anti-social and are downright rude and insulting. Everyone is welcome to opinions and points-of-view, but having such shoved in faces at every opportunity is intolerable. Regards, Scott G. Taylor Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA89002 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:13:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root(a)nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA88997 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:13:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root(a)trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA59906 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien(a)dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA68731 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:10:53 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" &lt;obrien(a)NUXI.com&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The Unix History Graphing Project... Message-ID: &lt;20000616161053.F35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; Reply-To: obrien(a)NUXI.com References: &lt;0006162041.AA01624(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG&gt; &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt;om>; from tls(a)rek.tjls.com on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:44:08PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 05:44:08PM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: I have to agree. From his emails, Mr. Solokov is a rather rabid individual. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA89013 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:14:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root(a)nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA89009 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:14:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root(a)trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA59924; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien(a)dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA68746; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:11:45 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" &lt;obrien(a)NUXI.com&gt; To: Michael Sokolov &lt;msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG&gt; Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.4BSD-Alpha Message-ID: &lt;20000616161145.G35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; Reply-To: obrien(a)NUXI.com References: &lt;0006161927.AA01375(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: &lt;0006161927.AA01375(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG&gt;RG>; from msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 02:27:54PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 02:27:54PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: Of course you do, but others may not. So why are you wasting my disk space with this email? Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA89383 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:24:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from hackaholic.org (IDENT:qmailr@d174.as1.nwbl0.wi.voyager.net [169.207.130.240]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA89379 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:24:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from apgarcia(a)hackaholic.org) Received: (qmail 484 invoked by uid 501); 17 Jun 2000 00:16:48 -0000 From: "A. P. Garcia" &lt;apgarcia(a)hackaholic.org&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The Unix History Graphing Project... References: &lt;0006162041.AA01624(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG&gt; &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; &lt;20000616161053.F35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; Date: 17 Jun 2000 00:16:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:10:53 -0700" Message-ID: &lt;m2wvjp88lr.fsf(a)localhost.localdomain&gt; User-Agent: Gnus/5.0804 (Gnus v5.8.4) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk "David O'Brien" &lt;obrien(a)NUXI.com&gt; writes: No, I agree with whomever it was - I think Patrick Henry - that said something like "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." You can always send his mail to /dev/null if you don't like it. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA89414 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:31:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA89410 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:31:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA55686 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:28:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200006170028.KAA55686(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: PUPS/TUHS should not be divisive In-Reply-To: &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; from Thor Lancelot Simon at "Jun 16, 2000 5:44: 8 pm" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:28:59 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Thor Lancelot Simon: While I do not agree with Michael's particular beliefs about True UNIX, as I wear the hat of UNIX Heritage Society, I want to encourage his efforts on 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, as I do with 2.11BSD, NetBSD etc etc. Michael, in order to ease the tension in the mailing lists, would it be possible for you to write a web (or ftp) page describing your beliefs, so that interested people can go read it. For example, in future mailings you could say: As you know, I believe True UNIX flows from V6 to 4.3BSD but not to 4.4BSD, see http://xxx.xxx.xxx for details. I'm not asking you to moderate your beliefs or stop espousing them, but I would rather keep the mailing list inclusive rather than divisive. For the other readers of this list, it is not possible to stop subscribers from saying whatever they want. Therefore, if you feel offended, please try to take any strong exchange of views out of the list. For example, you might post something like: In article by Joe Bloe: I disagree violently with this person's views, and I'll take this discussion off-line, so as to keep in charter with the mailing list. I will also change the mailing lists's on-line charter to be inclusive and not divisive. Finally, we now have pups@ (PDP-11 stuff) and tuhs@ (generic Unix stuff, which includes discussion on the Archive). The original posting, and all the followups, should have gone to tuhs@, so please send your mails to the right list!!! Thank you, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA89425 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:32:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA89421 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU&gt;AU>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:32:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from SHOPPA(a)timaxp.trailing-edge.com) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:29:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:29:13 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa &lt;SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; To: PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Message-Id: &lt;000616202913.262000b0(a)trailing-edge.com&gt; Subject: Re: Yet Another "where does it fit" question Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Yesterday I asked: Now that I've read the tapes, this is a 1990-ish step halfway between 2.10.1 and 2.11, as developed by Steven Schultz (and debugged by Terry on his 11/70, judging from the comments.) Is this something worthwhile to put in the archive? At the moment, looking at the timeline of PDP-11 Unices currently in the archive, we have at the "fairly recent" end: 2.9 from 1983 2.9.1BSD from 1983 2.10BSD from 1987 2.10.1BSD from 1989 2.11BSD from the past year Would it be a worthwhile thing to put 2.10.2 up as an intermediate step filling in the ten year gap between 2.10.1 and the current 2.11? I'm worried that whenever I find a metric buttload of Unix tapes that my proposals of adding everything in them to the archive may just be adding too much volume that folks simply aren't interested in. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA89441 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:33:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA89437 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:33:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA55766 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:31:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA89331; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:10:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA55558; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:07:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200006170007.KAA55558(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: Digest? In-Reply-To: &lt;394A3D26.86E79289(a)home.com&gt; from Robert Porter at "Jun 16, 2000 7:43:50 am" To: robport(a)home.com (Robert Porter) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:07:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society), tuhs(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Robert Porter: Send mail to majordomo(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au with the lines: unsubscribe tuhs unsubscribe pups subscribe pups-digest subscribe tuhs-digest Cheers! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA89882 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:12:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA89878 for &lt;PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU&gt;AU>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:12:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24691; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200006170209.TAA24691(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; To: PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU, SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: Yet Another "where does it fit" question Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi -- I hope I'm in the right mailing list :) You beat me to it - I was going to respond earlier but got distracted ("real work" the boss wanted ;)). It's more than half way to 2.11 though. Probably closer to 80 or 90%. The work had been going on for a year or more since 2.10.1 came out and I was all set to distribute it on my own when one of the last folks at the CSRG said it should be 2.11 (based on the size and number of changes) and a BSD release with USENIX handling the license issues and distribution. There aren't many major differences between 2.10.2SMS and what would be 2.11BSD a few months later (towards the end of 1990 or beginning of 1991). 2.10.2.SMS goes till about the end of 1990 or beginning of 1991 I think it would be - I didn't save a copy for myself ;) A "diff -r" of that against the first 2.11 tape (which I think I might have somewhere) would be interesting to do some time. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA90344 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:22:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA90340 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:22:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from tls(a)panix.com) Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [166.84.0.228]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F31515509; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tls@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id XAA05112; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:20:04 -0400 From: Thor Lancelot Simon &lt;tls(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; To: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PUPS/TUHS should not be divisive Message-ID: &lt;20000616232004.A4545(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; Reply-To: tls(a)rek.tjls.com References: &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; &lt;200006170028.KAA55686(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: &lt;200006170028.KAA55686(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; from wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au on Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 10:28:59AM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 10:28:59AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: While I largely agree with your sentiments, I note that in responding to my text above you have clipped out Michael's direct personal attack on Keith Bostic. I find this, um, fascinating. I'll also note that denying Mr. Solokov *this particular forum* for the spewage of his venom is hardly the kind of governmental interference with speech that another poster's quotation decried. I don't see why PUPS/TUHS should provide a general soapbox for shouting insults at the people who did a lot of the work PUPS/TUHS collect, catalog, and preserve. Thor Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA90790 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:57:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (root(a)nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA90786 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:57:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root(a)trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA60868 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien(a)dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA69857 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:55:04 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" &lt;obrien(a)NUXI.com&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PUPS/TUHS should not be divisive Message-ID: &lt;20000616215504.I35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; Reply-To: obrien(a)NUXI.com References: &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; &lt;200006170028.KAA55686(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; &lt;20000616232004.A4545(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: &lt;20000616232004.A4545(a)rek.tjls.com&gt;om>; from tls(a)rek.tjls.com on Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 11:20:04PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 11:20:04PM -0400, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: Not to mention we owe the entire Open Source BSD availability to Keith. Those that have not heard Kirk McKusick's "History of UNIX at Berkeley" talk should go read his "Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix From AT&T-Owned to Freely Redistributable" chapter in "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution". This is on-line at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html. To quote: During one of our weekly group meetings at the CSRG, Keith Bostic brought up the subject of the popularity of the freely-redistributable networking release and inquired about the possibility of doing an expanded release that included more of the BSD code. Mike Karels and I pointed out to Bostic that releasing large parts of the system was a huge task, but we agreed that if he could sort out how to deal with reimplementing the hundreds of utilities and the massive C library then we would tackle the kernel. Privately, Karels and I felt that would be the end of the discussion. Undeterred, Bostic pioneered the technique of doing a mass net-based development effort. He solicited folks to rewrite the Unix utilities from scratch based solely on their published descriptions. Their only compensation would be to have their name listed among the Berkeley contributors next to the name of the utility that they rewrote. The contributions started slowly and were mostly for the trivial utilities. But as the list of completed utilities grew and Bostic continued to hold forth for contributions at public events such as Usenix, the rate of contributions continued to grow. Soon the list crossed one hundred utilities and within 18 months nearly all the important utilities and libraries had been rewritten. Proudly, Bostic marched into Mike Karels' and my office, list in hand, wanting to know how we were doing on the kernel. Resigned to our task, Karels, Bostic, and I spent the next several months going over the entire distribution, file by file, removing code that had originated in the 32/V release. With what we owe him, I do not think any continual bad mouthing of Keith should be tolerated. -- -- David (obrien(a)NUXI.com) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA91896 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:42:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA91892 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:42:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk) Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.152.109]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 133G0Y-000AxM-0X; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:39:23 +0100 Message-ID: &lt;Hf1bqXARU1S5EwcL(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:38:09 +0100 To: obrien(a)NUXI.com Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au From: Robin Birch &lt;robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Subject: Re: PUPS/TUHS should not be divisive References: &lt;20000616174408.A20743(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; &lt;200006170028.KAA55686(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; &lt;20000616232004.A4545(a)rek.tjls.com&gt; &lt;20000616215504.I35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; In-Reply-To: &lt;20000616215504.I35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U <YSkKJATYm0AxAbv6xwlBrCeVCW> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In message &lt;20000616215504.I35577(a)dragon.nuxi.com&gt;om>, David O'Brien &lt;obrien(a)NUXI.com&gt; writes Seconded!!! ____________________________________________________________________ Robin Birch robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk M1ASU/2E0ARJ/M5ABD Old computers and radios always welcome Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA91880 for pups-liszt; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:40:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA91876 for &lt;PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:40:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk) Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.152.109]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 133Fyd-000Auo-0X; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:37:24 +0100 Message-ID: &lt;G$mbSLAfS1S5EweW(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:36:15 +0100 To: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Cc: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com From: Robin Birch &lt;robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Subject: Re: Yet Another "where does it fit" question References: &lt;200006170209.TAA24691(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; In-Reply-To: &lt;200006170209.TAA24691(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U <YSkKJATYm0AxAbv6xwlBrCeVCW> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In message &lt;200006170209.TAA24691(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt;om>, Steven M. Schultz &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; writes For what it's worth I think this brings in an interesting branch to the archive. Should there be a space for stuff we should hold for purely historical reference purposes and a different one for stuff that would normally be interesting to the average user group punter?. This might have some effects on the archive structure. Robin ____________________________________________________________________ Robin Birch robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk M1ASU/2E0ARJ/M5ABD Old computers and radios always welcome Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA92845 for pups-liszt; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:08:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au)