As Mike H pointed out, Kirk has been more busy than I remembered and has been busy in UFS, so I retract that. That point made, I think the general point that I was making, which is that the Linux guys seem to be moving faster, is still valid. I'm very fond of UFS and have a lot of respect for Kirk, so it's not about that, it's just that the energy seems to be elsewhere. For better or worse. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com