30 Jul
2017
30 Jul
'17
11:14 a.m.
I have no actual information about the lantern character, but
a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps
that everyone had before electricity.
My top guess would be a carriage lantern with a Japanese
garden ornament as a distant second. The carriage lantern
would be an unfilled circle superimposed on a vertical
rectangle, filled or unfilled. The rectangle might be
simplified to two (interrupted) vertical sides.
An alternate form of lantern would be a side view of
a carriage (or picture-projection) lantern, schematized
as a box, with a flaring projection to the right--an
icon for shining light on a subject, also interpretable
as a movie camera.
A Japanese lantern would be tripartite: cap, body, and
feet.
Do any of these possibilities ring a bell?
Doug
30 Jul
30 Jul
11:17 a.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
On 30 Jul 2017 12:14 pm, "Doug McIlroy" <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I have no actual information about the lantern
character, but
a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps
that everyone had before electricity.
My top guess would be a carriage lantern with a Japanese
garden ornament as a distant second. The carriage lantern
would be an unfilled circle superimposed on a vertical
rectangle, filled or unfilled. The rectangle might be
simplified to two (interrupted) vertical sides.
An alternate form of lantern would be a side view of
a carriage (or picture-projection) lantern, schematized
as a box, with a flaring projection to the right--an
icon for shining light on a subject, also interpretable
as a movie camera.
A Japanese lantern would be tripartite: cap, body, and
feet.
Do any of these possibilities ring a bell?
Doug
5:43 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I have no actual information about the lantern character, but
a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps
that everyone had before electricity.
It's a long shot, but might it be related to APL's 'lamp' operator?
(U+235D)
31 Jul
31 Jul
4:50 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL
goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype. On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry. On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.
The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
-Paul W.
5:52 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the "feep". It sure was not a
bell.,
The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett
<alec.muffett(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as
BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype. On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry. On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.
The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
-Paul W.
8:01 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the
"feep". It sure was not a
bell.,
The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett
<alec.muffett(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as
BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype. On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry. On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.
The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
-Paul W.
8:04 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the
"feep". It sure was not a
bell.,
The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
On the VT52 terminals I used, the bell seemed to come in two flavors. One
was a very iconic "gear grinding" sound where there was a small motor that
spun a toothed wheel that ran over a slender finger of plastic. A few,
maybe retrofitted, had what sounded like a random 555 noise that was gated
on/off.
Warner
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski
<paul.winalski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett
<alec.muffett(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as
BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype. On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry. On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.
The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
-Paul W.
9:25 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
I'll take any sound vs. the "visual bell" flash that I had on the first
terminal I used to learn VI on.
Had I had epilepsy like my sister, I'd have never survived :-)
Earl
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich(a)gmail.com> wrote:
ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called
the "feep". It sure was not a
bell.,
The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
On the VT52 terminals I used, the bell seemed to come in two flavors. One
was a very iconic "gear grinding" sound where there was a small motor that
spun a toothed wheel that ran over a slender finger of plastic. A few,
maybe retrofitted, had what sounded like a random 555 noise that was gated
on/off.
Warner
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski
<paul.winalski(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett
<alec.muffett(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dumb question: is there any chance that just as
BEL goes <beep>,
perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype. On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry. On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.
The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
-Paul W.
11:46 p.m.
New subject: Anyone know what a LANTERN is
At 12:50 ?pm -0400 2017/07/31, Paul Winalski wrote:
The character we're discussing here was named
LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light. We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.
A bit of Googling suggests that the Herbert H. Warrick Jr. Museum of
Communications in Seattle has at least one of these recently in operating
condition. <http://www.museumofcommunications.org/unix/>
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Kevin Schoedel <schoedel(a)kw.igs.net> VA3TCS
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