On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, Arno Griffioen wrote:
On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 09:50:39AM -0600, Michael
No offense taken. It's not so much that
it's "likeable", at least, any
more than playing with any old software is "likeable". It only crossed
my radar because someone mentioned that it was available for Atari UNIX
(ASV), would those bits be able to be used on Amiga UNIX (AMIX)? I was
Just nitpicking a little :)
I know Amiga UNIX is often referred to as AMIX, but 'in the day' there
was an actual 'AMIX' which was an CBM in-house only port of SVR3.2 to
'A2500UX' labeled machines. (basically 68020+MMU equipped boxes)
These ran the internal email and file distribution network, but was
never publicly released. Quite noticeable as it boots into an ASCII
console with a bright orange background.
Same background that some of the 68020/030 cards boot ROMs show when
choosing the 'boot UNIX' option.
Neat. This is the first time I've heard of this UNIX from Commodore.
I'd heard of Amiga UNIX, which ran on the A3000 and A2000s with the
appropriate 68020(+MMU) or 030 upgrades, and their failed CBM 900
project, which was based on the Z8001, which was reported to be a port
of MWC Coherent rather than based on the AT&T code.
Worked on that old platform for some time.. Part of my
projects was to
migrate some of the tools to the 'next version' which was..
The actual product sold as 'Amiga UNIX'. (not 'AMIX' ;) )
$ uname -a
UNIX_System_V amy 4.0 2.1c 0800430 Amiga (Unlimited) m68k
This was the SVR4 port in a V1 and V2 version with the
a bunch of updates to streamline it on the platform.
V1 was really only sold/used to launch-customers while V2 was more
publicly available. (V1 was trivial to hack around the '1 user' base
license with a little 'od' and binary patching ;) )
Interesting issue at the time was that, according to the internal
grapevine at CBM at the time, the Amiga UNIX SVR4 was not m68k ABI
compliant, so it could not run pre-packaged m68k-svr4 software that
did use this interface.
The docs claim that there was an attempt to make it ABI compliant, but
the ABI wasn't "finalized" or something, so, future compatibility was
Reason was rumoured to be that CBM (in ther
never-ending efforts to
do things 'cheap') got the cheapest source license they could get for
SVR4 which AFAIK was for the 3B2 or similar AT&T platform and they did
not get an actual m68k source and license.
Never got that really verified, but I do know that at the time the
lack of support for the m68k ABI was a big hurdle for acceptance.
*shrug* Atari UNIX and Amiga UNIX seem close enough that some stuff
compiled on Atari works on the Amiga.
Out of curiosity, how much m68k SysV software was out there?
requires setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load the ASV X11 libs, so,
I thought, if I could get my hands on the source, I could compile
it against the AMIX supplied libs, then maybe try and get Mosaic
compiled as well.
The SVR4 Amiga UNIX used CDE and all bits for the X11 environment, so
the binaries should all be there.
The install bits that have survived and escaped onto the Internet have
X11R4 with XView/OpenLook, no Motif/CDE. There was a port of X11R5 to
it that supported some of the newer graphics cards, but still no Motif.
No sources were available to people outside the CBM
UNIX group at the
headquarters at the time, but perhaps they got out onto the net when
it all went down.
Would be cool if someone found a tape and got it in the right hands.
The UNIX group inside CBM got disbanded way before
they went totally
out of business, so it may have well gone into the shredder at some
Rumors were that *the* box that had the source on it crashed. Sounded
like a ridiculous reason to me, but that's what I'd heard.
Quitting the CBM-UNIX group was done very crudely I
might add with
some of the guys from the US being over in europe when they got told
that they were fired and their company creditcards got blocked at the
same time.. classy...
From what I've heard about the last days of
Commodore under Mehdi Ali,
this doesn't surprise me.