FWIW, I was actually at many of those meetings. (You can find my name in a lot of those Meeting Notes.) Nobody from LBL, or UCB in general, was involved - and the Meeting Notes (which, you will note, are quite detailed) indicate the same thing. (Later on, of course, Van Jacobson of LBL did some imporant work on TCP congestion control, but that was in '87 or so - I can't instantly lay my hands on my copy of Van's famous e-mail, to get a more exact date - some years after the full-scale deployment of TCP/IP in January, 1983.) Perhaps you are conflating several different things in your memory? Human memory is very fallible, which is why historians prefer contemporary documents (and even those sometimes have errors). Here: http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/nontech/tmlotus.html is a mildly amusing example (from a completely different arena) of all that. Noel