22 Jan
2023
22 Jan
'23
7:38 a.m.
Found this tweetstream, here folded together, when looking for something
else (now lost) in my twitter archive:
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Things I miss from the v8 shell.
1) All shell output was valid shell input.
2) Typing dir/cmd would find the command $PATH/dir/cmd. Subdirectories of
your bin, in other words.
3) Functions were exportable. For one brief shining POSIX meeting, that was
true in POSIX too but then...
4) The implementation was lovely and easy to understand. (No, it wasn't
shalgol. Bourne fixed that for us.)
5) That I could learn things from it, like how to write a recursive descent
parser.*
6) It ran in cooked mode.
As expected, all that work making it a great shell is lost to history.
https://t.co/IzApAUSmzN is silent. Well, the code is released now.
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-rob
* elegantly.
22 Jan
22 Jan
2:52 p.m.
Geoff Collyer has made the 9th edition shell available:
http://www.collyer.net/who/geoff/v9sh.tar
Arnold
Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Found this tweetstream, here folded together, when
looking for something
else (now lost) in my twitter archive:
==========
Things I miss from the v8 shell.
1) All shell output was valid shell input.
2) Typing dir/cmd would find the command $PATH/dir/cmd. Subdirectories of
your bin, in other words.
3) Functions were exportable. For one brief shining POSIX meeting, that was
true in POSIX too but then...
4) The implementation was lovely and easy to understand. (No, it wasn't
shalgol. Bourne fixed that for us.)
5) That I could learn things from it, like how to write a recursive descent
parser.*
6) It ran in cooked mode.
As expected, all that work making it a great shell is lost to history.
https://t.co/IzApAUSmzN is silent. Well, the code is released now.
==========
-rob
* elegantly.
2:49 p.m.
New subject: Cooked Mode (v8 shell)
On 1/23/23 9:45 AM, Brian M Zick wrote:
It did not perform line editing, so it did not change the terminal modes
and read one character at a time. If you only ever read a line at a time
from the terminal, you can let the terminal driver do that for you.
--
``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet(a)case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/
6) It ran in
cooked mode.
Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else: What does this phrase mean? 
3:51 p.m.
New subject: Cooked Mode (v8 shell)
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Chet Ramey wrote:
On 1/23/23 9:45 AM, Brian M Zick wrote:
It did not perform line editing, so it did not change the terminal modes
and read one character at a time. If you only ever read a line at a time
from the terminal, you can let the terminal driver do that for you.
I've never been convinced by that particular argument, since if you
want command-line completion, the terminal driver is way too
low-level.
I suppose you could have callouts from the kernel to applications that
were willing to provide context-sensitive command-line completion
lists, which is how Multics handled things (trivia for the day: the
libss library used by Linux's e2fsprogs and MIT Kerberos v5's kadmin
interface uses an API inspired by Multics' subsystem library), but the
point is that you can't do it all in the terminal driver.
Cheers,
- Ted
6) It ran
in cooked mode.
Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else: What does this phrase mean?
3:53 p.m.
New subject: Cooked Mode (v8 shell)
On 1/23/23 10:51 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Chet Ramey
wrote:
But that's the point: they don't.
--
``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet(a)case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/
On 1/23/23 9:45 AM, Brian M Zick wrote:
It did not perform line editing, so it did not change the terminal modes
and read one character at a time. If you only ever read a line at a time
from the terminal, you can let the terminal driver do that for you.
I've never been convinced by that particular argument, since if you
want command-line completion, the terminal driver is way too
low-level. 6) It ran
in cooked mode.
Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else: What does this phrase mean? 
8:40 p.m.
New subject: Cooked Mode (v8 shell)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_mode
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nygeek.net
mindthegapdialogs.com/home <https://www.mindthegapdialogs.com/home>
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 10:53 AM Chet Ramey <chet.ramey(a)case.edu> wrote:
On 1/23/23 10:51 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Chet
Ramey wrote:
But that's the point: they don't.
--
``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet(a)case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/
On 1/23/23 9:45 AM, Brian M Zick wrote:
I've never been convinced by that particular argument, since if you
want command-line completion, the terminal driver is way too
low-level. > 6) It ran in cooked mode.
Sorry if this is obvious to everyone else: What does this phrase mean?
It did not perform line editing, so it did not change the terminal modes
and read one character at a time. If you only ever read a line at a time
from the terminal, you can let the terminal driver do that for you.
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