18 Nov
2003
18 Nov
'03
2:23 a.m.
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Can any of you point me in the directions of a website that completely
discusses this operating system, PRO or P/OS? As I recall the DEC
Professional system was basically a shrunken PDP-11. Finding one of
course, would be a good thing.
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Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
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18 Nov
3:05 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:23:15PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Can any of you point me in the directions of a website that completely
discusses this operating system, PRO or P/OS? As I recall the DEC
Professional system was basically a shrunken PDP-11. Finding one of
course, would be a good thing.
A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly)
CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on them. Some big VAX models
had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the Pro's.
And special I/O cards which only fit in Pros.
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3:50 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:05:33PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly)
CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on them. Some big VAX models
had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the Pro's.
And special I/O cards which only fit in Pros.
Yeah, that's my memory as well. Rick Macklem did a port of 2.9BSD to them.
I used one for a time; it took something like thirty seconds to load vi!
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Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
4:12 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Can any of you point me in the directions of a website that completely
discusses this operating system, PRO or P/OS? As I recall the DEC
Professional system was basically a shrunken PDP-11. Finding one of
course, would be a good thing.
Since the PRO is a brain-damaged PDP-11, and P/OS is more or less a
brain-damaged RSX system, feel free to talk about it on info-pdp11. :-)
Johnny
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4:18 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Wilko Bulte wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:23:15PM -0500, Gregg C
Levine wrote:
The 380 had a J11.
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Can any of you point me in the directions of a website that completely
discusses this operating system, PRO or P/OS? As I recall the DEC
Professional system was basically a shrunken PDP-11. Finding one of
course, would be a good thing.
A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly)
CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on them.
Correct. RT11 have support for the PRO, even if it isn't official.
Some big VAX models
had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the Pro's.
And special I/O cards which only fit in Pros.
All I/O is specific for the PRO. They used a very different I/O-system
than other PDP-11s.
Johnny
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
4:19 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:50:21PM -0500, David Evans wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:05:33PM +0100, Wilko Bulte
wrote:
The 380 was pretty much OK in my recollection. 350 was downright slow.
RD5x drives did not help here..
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A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly)
CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on them. Some big VAX models
had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the Pro's.
And special I/O cards which only fit in Pros.
Yeah, that's my memory as well. Rick Macklem did a port of 2.9BSD to them.
I used one for a time; it took something like thirty seconds to load vi!
4:20 a.m.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:19:03PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:50:21PM -0500, David Evans
wrote:
You may be right--I never used a 380. I remember becomming very frustrated
trying to compile rz/sz.
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David Evans dfevans(a)bbcr.uwaterloo.ca
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
Yeah, that's my memory as well. Rick
Macklem did a port of 2.9BSD to them.
I used one for a time; it took something like thirty seconds to load vi!
The 380 was pretty much OK in my recollection. 350 was downright slow.
RD5x drives did not help here..
4:21 a.m.
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
Johnny, I already concluded that fact from the slightly peeved remarks
returned from some of the regulars on this list. I might also add, I
only have the software here. I don't have the thing itself. If we want
to discuss this further, everyone who's interested, we can take this
off-list, or on, until we get flagged by the Owner.
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Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:bqt@update.uu.se]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:13 PM
To: Gregg C Levine
Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [pups] DEC PRO or P/OS
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Can any of you point me in the directions of a website that
completely
> discusses this operating system, PRO or P/OS? As
I recall the DEC
> Professional system was basically a shrunken PDP-11. Finding one
of
course, would
be a good thing.
Since the PRO is a brain-damaged PDP-11, and P/OS is more or less a
brain-damaged RSX system, feel free to talk about it on info-pdp11.
Johnny
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
7:55 a.m.
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
I take it this means that the software written for those things, won't
run on an emulator normally running as a member of the regular PDP
family of machines? Such as the SIMH PDP-11 emulator, or the E11 ones.
Mr. Wilson, (John), mentions the operating system for the PRO, on the
PDF file that describes the E11, both versions as being copyrighted,
and mentions the company name.
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[mailto:pups-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
Behalf Of Wilko Bulte
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:19 PM
To: David Evans
Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org; Gregg C Levine
Subject: Re: [pups] DEC PRO or P/OS
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 04:50:21PM -0500, David Evans wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:05:33PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> >
> > A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this
correctly)
> > CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on
them. Some big VAX
models
> > had Pro's as console
processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the
Pro's.
> > And special I/O cards which only fit in
Pros.
> >
>
> Yeah, that's my memory as well. Rick Macklem did a port of
2.9BSD to
them.
> I used one for a time; it took something like
thirty seconds to
load vi!
The 380 was pretty much OK in my recollection. 350 was downright
slow.
RD5x drives did not help here..
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4:37 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Gregg C Levine wrote:
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
I take it this means that the software written for those things, won't
run on an emulator normally running as a member of the regular PDP
family of machines? Such as the SIMH PDP-11 emulator, or the E11 ones.
Mr. Wilson, (John), mentions the operating system for the PRO, on the
PDF file that describes the E11, both versions as being copyrighted,
and mentions the company name.
Well, the console behaviour (and CSR) is not the same as a
"normal" PDP-11, so it would require special handling to act like a PRO.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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