19 Jan
2003
19 Jan
'03
1:02 p.m.
I'm trying to run 2.11 BSD on the p11 emulator...
The 2.11 BSD boot image I'm using is 211_on_rl2
(which works on sim, but without network sup-
port).
Before downloading 2.11_rp_unknown.gz that seems
to work for sure with p11 (at least I found enough
posts hinting at that), I would like to know if
anybody has successfully used the 211_on_rl2 distro
to boot 2.11 BSD on p11.
My results so far are p11 boots (after FIGHTING
with p11conf), recognizes the 4 rl and 5 rk disks
and images and gives me a @-prompt.
Telnetting to the defined ports won't do :-(
Any hints anybody?
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M. Giegerich, mail: migieger(a)vsnl.com, phone: +91.(0)80.5530154
19 Jan
19 Jan
3:58 p.m.
I shouldn't do this, I know...
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 06:32:47PM +0530, M. Giegerich wrote:
I'm trying to run 2.11 BSD on the p11
emulator...
The 2.11 BSD boot image I'm using is 211_on_rl2
(which works on sim, but without network sup-
port).
Before downloading 2.11_rp_unknown.gz that seems
to work for sure with p11 (at least I found enough
posts hinting at that), I would like to know if
anybody has successfully used the 211_on_rl2 distro
to boot 2.11 BSD on p11.
My results so far are p11 boots (after FIGHTING
with p11conf), recognizes the 4 rl and 5 rk disks
and images and gives me a @-prompt.
Telnetting to the defined ports won't do :-(
Any hints anybody?
@17773000g did the magic... Amazing, this was really
well hidden.
The kernel on the rl images isn't set-up for networ-
king. So, I'm trying to rebuild it - getting stuck
at "make: out of memory" or "ld: too big for type
431"...
We'll see.
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M. Giegerich, mail: migieger(a)vsnl.com, phone: +91.(0)80.5530154
20 Jan
20 Jan
4:18 a.m.
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 09:28:23PM +0530, M. Giegerich wrote:
The kernel on the rl images isn't set-up for
networ-
king. So, I'm trying to rebuild it - getting stuck
at "make: out of memory" or "ld: too big for type
431"...
For the "431" business, check out the man page for ld and read the
section on overlay sizes. Then check in the Makefile and move some .o
files between overlays so that they are all under 8192 bytes. That
worked for me. A little combo of sed and awk might be handy to check
the total size of the objects included in each overlay.
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Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual
8:07 a.m.
On 2003.01.20 05:18 David Evans wrote:
A little combo of sed and awk might be handy to check
the total size of the objects included in each overlay.
Been there, done that. ;-)
Check the mail archive for a mail from me, sent at Jun 18, 2002 with
subject "Re: [pups] bsd2.11 kernel compile". It contains a Makefile
supplement that eases overly calculation.
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tschüß,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
21 Jan
21 Jan
2:45 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 09:07:10AM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
On 2003.01.20 05:18 David Evans wrote:
Yes, I did read this before posting...
It was easy to change the objects in the overlays
as only the first was 200 bytes too big while others
had plenty of space left. So compiling went well...
Unfortunately after installing and rebooting the
system panick'ed. After toying for too long with it,
I decided to download the rp image and give it a
try instead. Good decision as now everything is
working well (incl. networking to/fro the host).
The host is a dual P3 800 with FreeBSD-4.7R, p11-2.9
PDP 11 emulator and (the begemot 2.11bsd image on)
2.11_rp_unknown.gz.
I may post a summary on how to get this running
as I needed quite some reading in different mails
of the pups archive... (may make life easier for
others).
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M. Giegerich, mail: migieger(a)vsnl.com, phone: +91.(0)80.5530154
A little combo of sed and awk might be handy to
check
the total size of the objects included in each overlay.
Been there, done that. ;-)
Check the mail archive for a mail from me, sent at Jun 18, 2002 with
subject "Re: [pups] bsd2.11 kernel compile". It contains a Makefile
supplement that eases overly calculation.
22 Jan
22 Jan
2:38 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:15:06AM +0530, M. Giegerich wrote:
...
I may post a summary on how to get this running
as I needed quite some reading in different mails
of the pups archive... (may make life easier for
others).
Done before memory fades away...
If there is anybody trying this out, I would appre-
ciate some feedback on this primer.
Installing 2.11BSD on the PDP11 emulator p11 on FreeBSD
=======================================================
This relates to FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p3 (the most current
4.7 RELEASE as on Jan. 19, 2003).
You'll need Harti Brandt's PDP11 emulator. I used the
latest non-beta release p11-2.9 dated Mar. 1st, 2001.
To build p11, libbegemot is needed too (libbegemot-1.9
dated Mar. 1st, 2001). Both are available at
ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/cats/usr/harti/p11.
116847 Mar 1 2001 libbegemot-1.9.tar.gz
298755 Mar 1 2001 p11-2.9.tar.gz
MD5 (libbegemot-1.9.tar.gz) = 92bc75e99c5bc778f59adf412ea085ea
MD5 (p11-2.9.tar.gz) = ffabf9752895d34396b2d5b38947c8dc
(My decision to use p11 was based on the fact, that
it's much less cpu hungry than Bob Supnik's sim
package).
The 2.11BSD distribution I use is 2.11_rp_unknown.gz
from http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Boot_Images.
34600118 Feb 1 1998 2.11_rp_unknown.gz
MD5 (2.11_rp_unknown.gz) = d57863a498edc4598da84eb5bc88b3a2
After downloading you'll want to build libbegemot
and p11. Both is painless.
Building libbegemot
-------------------
cd work
tar xvzf ../libbegemot-1.9.tar.gz
find libbegemot-1.9 | xargs chown user.group
(May be omitted, but on my system file ownership
was messed up).
cd libbegemot-1.9
./configure
gmake
gmake install
Building p11
------------
cd work
tar xvzf ../p11-2.9.tar.gz
find p11-2.9 | xargs chown user.group
(May be omitted, but on my system file ownership
was messed up).
cd p11-2.9
./configure --with-begemot=/usr/local
gmake
gmake install
Configuring p11
---------------
The config file is in /usr/local/share/p11/p11conf.
Minimal changes are required:
Check for "define diskdir /home/private/p11/disks"
and change according to your setup. I gunzip'ed
2.11_rp_unknown.gz to /var/tmp/disks/RP_211bsd_root
to maintain the file naming of Harti. Beware, it
expands to 174 MB.
I also changed the sync time for the emulated rp
disk from 600000 to 4000 (as indicated in the docu-
mentation of p11.texi).
That is "ctrl rp 17776700 0254 5 4000" instead of
the original "ctrl rp 17776700 0254 5 600000".
(I changed the deqna's network driver from tun0
to tun3 too, as I'm using tun0 for dialup pur-
poses).
Last, I commented out the Linux tun and tap as well
as the FreeBSD tap networking entries.
My p11conf reads
/usr/local/share/p11/p11conf
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
# Copyright (c)1994-2000 Begemot Computer Associates. All rights reserved.
# See the file COPYRIGHT for details of redistribution and use.
#
# $Id: p11conf.in,v 1.6 2000/12/01 12:27:00 hbb Exp $
#
# This configuration file is somehow tailored to my setup, but it is usable
# as a fallback in any case. Make a private copy and change it as you need it.
#
#
# Documentation for the configuration syntax is not yet ready :-( so here
# is a short version. You may look also in main.c
#
# The file is read line by line. If the line is empty or starts with a #
# it is ignored. The first word of each line is a keyword and determines how
# the rest of the line is interpreted:
#
# define NAME [VALUE]
# Define a variable (or change it's value). Variables can be access by
# the $(NAME) construct. Substitution takes place on VALUE, but not on
# NAME. Referencing an undefined variable is an error unless the form
# $(NAME?) is used, in which case an empty string is substituted.
#
# set OPTION [VALUE]
# Set OPTION to value and define a variable OPTION with the given VALUE.
# There are global and controller specific options. Global options
# should be set outside all controller declarations (outside
'ctrl'-'end'
# blocks.
# Subsitution is done on VALUE but not on OPTION.
# Options are:
#
# libdir - this is where help and configuration files are looked
# for as well as rom images (global).
# iodir - directory for the IO programs (global).
# clock_rate - clock ticks per second (usually 50 or 60). (global).
# cpu_options - these are the jumpers on the KDJ11A (ctrl KDJ11A).
# csw_enable - enable the console switch register (default) (ctrl KDJ11A).
# csw - starting contents of the switches (ctrl KDJ11).
# maxreq - maximum number of pending line clock interrupts
# (default is 1) (ctrl KDJ11A).
# localtime - toy clock should report local time, not GMT (ctrl toy).
#
# include FILE
# Include the given FILE. Substitution takes place on FILE.
#
# print LINE
# Print LINE on stdout after performing substitutions.
#
# if EXPR
# Substitute on EXPR, evaluate it and process the following lines up to
# a matching else, elif of endif if EXPR is non-zero. There is a limit
# on nested if's.
#
# elif EXPR
# If all if-clauses where false up to now, perform substitution, compute
# EXPR and process all lines up to the matching else, elif or endif if
# EXPR is non-zero.
#
# else
# If all if-clauses where false up to now, process all lines up to the
# matching endif.
#
# endif
# Ends an if construct.
#
# ctrl NAME [ARGS]
# Plug in the given controller into the backplane. Substitution is done
# on ARGS. What ARGS are needed depends on the concrete controller.
# Note, that controllers are plugged in bottom-down, i.e. the last one
# gets nearest to memory (which is automatically inserted), which in turn
# gets nearest to the CPU. The controller line may be followed by
# device lines which must be followed by end 'end' line.
#
# dev [ARGS]
# Connect a device to the current controller. Substitution is done on
# ARGS and if this yields empy ARGS, the line is ignored. ARGS depends
# on the controller.
#
# end
# End the current controller definition.
#
# eval NAME [EXPR]
# Compute EXPR after performing substitutions and assign the result as
# a signed decimal integer to NAME.
#
#
# Expressions consists of the usual +, -, *, /, %, (, ), == and !=.
# The following builtin functions are available:
#
# acess(FILE, MODE)
# Check whether FILE is accessable (mode may be one or more
# of 'f', 'r', 'w' and 'x'. Returns 1 if ok.
#
# eq(STR1,STR2)
# Compare the two strings after stripping leading and trailing
# space and return 1 of they are equal.
#
# exec(COMMAND)
# Execute COMMAND with sh -c and return the exit code of the
# shell (this may or may not be the exit code of the command).
#
if !defined(diskdir)
define diskdir /var/tmp/disks
endif
define RP_211_BOOT 0 $(diskdir)/RP_211bsd_root 1999
define RP_41_BOOT 0 $(diskdir)/RP_rsx_4.1boot 2000
define RP_41_SRC 1 $(diskdir)/RP_rsx_4.1src 2001
#
# standard rlv12 controller with four drives attached
# numbers are csr, vector, interrupt level and ms between msyncs
#
ctrl rl 017774400 0160 4 60000
end
#
# rp06 disk controller with 2 drives attached
# numbers are csr, vector, interrupt level and ms between msyncs
#
ctrl rp 017776700 0254 5 4000
if defined(BOOT)
if eq($(BOOT),211)
print Booting 2.11BSD
dev $(RP_211_BOOT)
elif eq($(BOOT),RSX)
print Booting RSX4.1
dev $(RP_41_BOOT)
dev $(RP_41_SRC)
endif
endif
end
#
# kl11a async interface with up to 4 lines
# kl0 is console
# numbers are csr, vectors, interrupt level, driver program and parameters
# for driver program
# drivers:
# tty_tty [-7] device
# tty_net [-7] [-t] [-lLogFile] port-number
# tty_xterm [-7] [-t title] [-g geometry] [-p position] [-i] [-x xterm-args]
# tty_fifo [-7] fifo-name
# tty_file [-7] [-p pidfile] [-e eof-seq] [-c] file-or-prog [args...]
#
ctrl kl
dev 017777560 060 064 4 tty_net -t -7 10000
dev 017776500 0300 0304 4 tty_net -t -7 10001
# dev 017776510 0310 0314 4 tty_fifo /tmp/fifo
end
#
# MRV12 rom option
# args are csr and file containing boot-rom
#
if !defined(BOOT_ROM)
if access(boot.rom, r)
define BOOT_ROM boot.rom
elif access(Boot/boot.rom, r)
define BOOT_ROM Boot/boot.rom
else
define BOOT_ROM $(libdir)/boot.rom
endif
endif
ctrl mr 017777520 $(BOOT_ROM)
end
#
# parallel lp interface
# numbers are csr, vector and interrupt level
# the device line contains either a filename or a '|' which creates a pipe
# followed by the program to pipe in and optional args
#
ctrl lp 017777514 0200 4
end
#
# DEQNA ethernet controller
# I can't distribute my ROM's image. So check whether there is any. If not
# don't plug in the thing. You can create a file consisting of 0's and use
# that instead. Use either tun or tap (hey - tap let's you use MOPR/MOPDL or
# DreckNet or ...)
#
if !defined(QNA_ROM)
if access(qna.rom, r)
define QNA_ROM qna.rom
elif access($(libdir)/qna.rom, r)
define QNA_ROM $(libdir)/qna.rom
endif
endif
if defined(QNA_ROM)
ctrl qna 017774440 5 0x08:0x00:0x2b:0x07:0x82:0x6c 0xf8:0x7a $(QNA_ROM)
# FreeBSD:
dev epp_tun /dev/tun3 0x08:0x00:0x2b:0x07:0x82:0x6c 0x08:0x00:0x2b:0x07:0x82:0x00
# Linux:
# dev epp_tun /dev/net/tun 0x08:0x00:0x2b:0x07:0x82:0x6c 0x08:0x00:0x2b:0x07:0x82:0x00
# FreeBSD:
# dev epp_tap /dev/tap0
# Linux:
# dev epp_tap /dev/net/tun
# eval dummy exec(ifconfig tap0 <your host> up)
# eval dummy exec(ifconfig tap0)
end
endif
#
# Tape controller
#
ctrl tm 017772520 0224 5
end
#
# The toy clock.
#
ctrl toy 017777526
# set localtime yes
# set offs_year 10
# set settoy 12:30:00 12/31/74
end
#
# Plug in the memory board.
#
ctrl mem
end
#
# Plug in processor board
#
ctrl KDJ11A
if defined(CSW)
set csw $(CSW)
endif
end
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
Next create a 4096 byte file called qna.rom in
/usr/local/share/p11 filled with binary 0s as per
instructions in p11conf.
That's it.
Running p11
-----------
Invoke the emulator as `p11 -DBOOT=211` and you will
be presented with
--- screen output ---
# p11 -DBOOT=211
/usr/local/share/p11/p11conf,126: Booting 2.11BSD
173000 K -> 17773000 = 000005: reset
@
--- screen output ---
Then switch to another virtual terminal (vty) and
telnet into the p11 emulator on port 10000.
--- screen output ---
# telnet localhost 10000
Trying ::1...
telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
--- screen output ---
Switch back to the p11 emulator vty and enter
--- screen output ---
@17773000g (without the @, that's p11's prompt).
--- screen output ---
And one more switch back to the 2.11bsd vty will
show you
--- screen output ---
Begemot boot PROM; V0.3
Copyright (c) 1998-2000 Begemot Computer Associates. All rights reserved.
boot>
--- screen output ---
Enter
--- screen output ---
boot>BOOT RP (again without "boot>")
--- screen output ---
and you will get
--- screen output ---
73Boot from xp(0,0,0) at 0176700
:
--- screen output ---
Hit enter, wait a little and you will be greeted by
--- screen output ---
: xp(0,0,0)unix
Boot: bootdev=05000 bootcsr=0176700
2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998
root@pdp11.begemot.com:/usr/src/sys/HIPPON
attaching qe0 csr 174440
qe0: DEC DEQNA addr 08:00:2b:07:82:6c
attaching lo0
phys mem = 2097152
avail mem = 1647872
user mem = 307200
January 20 19:51:18 init: configure system
lp 0 csr 177514 vector 200 attached
rl 0 csr 174400 vector 160 attached
tm 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached
xp 0 csr 176700 vector 254 attached
cn 1 csr 176500 vector 300 attached
cn 2 csr 176510 vector 310 skipped: No CSR.
cn 3 csr 176520 vector 320 skipped: No CSR.
cn 4 csr 176530 vector 330 skipped: No CSR.
erase, kill ^U, intr ^C
#
--- screen output ---
That's 2.11BSD's single user console.
Configure 2.11BSD for networking
--------------------------------
(Do yourself a favour and invoke tcsh).
You'll need to configure
/etc/hosts
/etc/netstart
/etc/networks
/etc/resolv.conf
and invoke once `/etc/mkhosts /etc/hosts`.
To explain the entries in these files, I'll use
freebsd.home and 192.168.0.33 as the hostname and
the ip address of the FreeBSD host system, pdp11
and 192.168.0.45 as the hostname and ip address
of the 2.11BSD system on the p11 emulator. The
domain name for both will be home.
/etc/hosts
++++++++++
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.0.33 freebsd.home
192.168.0.45 pdp11.home
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
/etc/netstart
+++++++++++++
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
#!/bin/sh -
# @(#)netstart 5.2.1 (2.11BSD) 1996/11/16
INET=`testnet`
if [ $INET = YES ]; then
echo Assuming NETWORKING system ... >/dev/console 2>&1
else
echo Assuming non-networking system ... >/dev/console 2>&1
fi
export INET
# DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT RUNNING ROUTED ON A PDP-11!!! Just set routedflags
# to "NO" and set up a default gateway below.
#
routedflags=NO
rwhod=YES
named=NO
# myname is my symbolic name
# my-netmask is specified in /etc/networks
# my-default-address should be set to some machine where you
# want to send all your packets, by default.
#
hostname=pdp11.home
hostid=2B07826C
netmask=255.255.255.0
broadcast=192.168.0.255
default=freebsd.home
hostname $hostname >/dev/console 2>&1
hostid $hostid >/dev/console 2>&1
if [ $INET = YES ]; then
# ifconfig imp0 inet netmask $netmask $hostname broadcast $broadcast up -trailers
>/dev/console 2>&1
# ifconfig en0 inet netmask $netmask $hostname broadcast $broadcast up -trailers
>/dev/console 2>&1
# ifconfig ec0 inet netmask $netmask $hostname broadcast $broadcast up -trailers arp
>/dev/console 2>&1
# ifconfig il0 inet netmask $netmask $hostname broadcast $broadcast up -trailers
>/dev/console 2>&1
ifconfig qe0 inet netmask $netmask $hostname broadcast $broadcast up -trailers
>/dev/console 2>&1
arp -s hippo 08:00:2b:07:82:00
# ifconfig sl0 inet 192.254.254.2 192.254.254.1 -arp -trailers >/dev/console
2>&1
# slattach /dev/ttyS6 9600
arp -s 192.168.0.45 08:00:2b:07:82:6c pub
arp -s 192.168.0.33 00:06:29:13:7a:18 pub
ifconfig lo0 inet localhost up -trailers >/dev/console 2>&1
route add $hostname localhost 0 >/dev/console 2>&1
route add default $default 1 >/dev/console 2>&1
fi
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
/etc/networks
+++++++++++++
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
localnet 127
home 192.168.0
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
/etc/resolv.conf
++++++++++++++++
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
domain home
nameserver 192.168.0.33
--- snip --- snip --- snip ---
In /etc/netstart you need to set the arp entries
of both freebsd and pdp11 with their respective
ethernet mac addresses (pdp11's qe0 mac address
is set in p11conf). See /etc/netstart above.
Now don't forget to invoke `/etc/mkhosts /etc/hosts`.
After that (exit tcsh, if you were in and) exit csh
hitting .
The 2.11BSD system will go multi user and show you
--- screen output ---
# ^D
Fast boot ... skipping disk checks
checking quotas: done.
Assuming NETWORKING system ...
add host pdp11.home: gateway localhost
add net default: gateway freebsd.home
starting system logger
preserving editor files
clearing /tmp
standard daemons: update cron accounting.
starting network daemons: inetd rwhod printer.
starting local daemons:.
Mon Jan 20 20:27:36 PST 2003
Jan 20 20:27:36 pdp11 January 20 20:27:36 init: kernel security level changed from 0 to 1
2.11 BSD UNIX (pdp11.home) (console)
login:
--- screen output ---
You login as root with password "begemot1" (without
the "").
--- screen output ---
login: root
Password:
Last login: Mon Jan 20 20:15:16 from freebsd
2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998
[1] root-->
--- screen output ---
Before you'll be able to network to freebsd, you'll
need to setup the tun device on its side. Switch
to a vty on freebsd and as root enter `ifconfig
tun0 freebsd pdp11 up`.
Go back to the pdp11 vty and try
--- screen output ---
[1] root--> ping freebsd.home
PING freebsd.home (192.168.0.33): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.168.0.33: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=40 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.0.33: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=40 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.0.33: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=40 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.0.33: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=40 ms
^C
--- freebsd.home ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 40/0/40 ms
[2] root-->
--- screen output ---
Shutting down
-------------
To shut down pdp11 issue `halt`:
--- screen output ---
[2] root--> halt
Jan 20 20:29:12 pdp11 January 20 20:29:12 halt: -; halted by root
Jan 20 20:29:13 pdp11 syslogd: going down on signal 15
syncing disks... done
halting
--- screen output ---
After pdp11 is halted you switch to the p11 vty and
issue "x" (without "")
--- screen output ---
@17773000g
000014 K -> 00123214 = 012767: mov #1,12456
[4 - kl]
@xDCOK = 1 asserted
--- screen output ---
^
The emulator returns you to the command prompt of
your FreeBSD system.
There issue `ifconfig tun0 freebsd pdp11 down` to
delete the unneeded tun interface.
Todos
-----
Explore which patches (if any) from ftp://moe.2bsd.com/
pub/2.11BSD are incorporated into this 2.11BSD distri-
bution. Maybe Steven can comment on this...
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