7 Apr
2018
7 Apr
'18
12:50 p.m.
From: Dave Horsfall
The Internet ... was born on this day in 1969, when
RFC-1 got published
I have this vague memory that the Internet-History list decided that the
appropriate day was actually the day the format of the v4 headers was set,
i.e. 16 June, 1978. (See IEN-68, pg. 12, top.)
Picking the date of RFC-1 seems a little odd. Why not the day the first packet
was send over a deployed IMP, or the day the RFP was sent out, or the contract
let? And the ARPANet was just one predecessor; one might equally have picked a
CYCLADES date...
(spelled with a capital "I", please, as it
is a proper noun) ... As I
said at a club lecture once, there are many internets, but only one
Internet.
I myself prefer the formulation 'there are many white houses, but only one
White House'! :-)
Noel
7 Apr
7 Apr
2:34 p.m.
New subject: Happy birthday, Internet!
On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I thought the epoch of the Internet was January 1, 1983.
-uso.
From: Dave
Horsfall
The Internet ... was born on this day in 1969,
when RFC-1 got published
I have this vague memory that the Internet-History list decided that the
appropriate day was actually the day the format of the v4 headers was set,
i.e. 16 June, 1978. (See IEN-68, pg. 12, top.) 
2:44 p.m.
New subject: Happy birthday, Internet!
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Steve Nickolas <usotsuki(a)buric.co> wrote:
I thought the epoch of the Internet was January 1, 1983.
In the USA, we have an idea called adoption day, which is picked when
family of an adopted child celebrates their becoming part of the family,
which when the kids are young we point is in many ways is more powerful
than the birthday. because it says we picked you.
So one might want to claim that 1983/01/01 is the Internet's 'Adoption
Day' and not really care much about the others.
Clem
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9 Apr
9 Apr
12:06 a.m.
New subject: Happy birthday, Internet!
Dave, first of Jan 83 was the day the Arpanet was supposed to be turned off
by then DDN who was running things and all sites were supposed to have
switched to the IP. One of must have a copy of the DDN memo somewhere.
The truth is, it did not happen, there were a few exceptions granted for
some sites that were not quite ready (I've forgotten now).
That BTW: the difference between ARPAnet to IP and IPv4 to v6 switch.
There was someone in charge, the US Gov - which was paying the bills, so
they could declare a red-letter day. IMHO: It really too bad, economic
got in the way of sanity so we still have v4.
Clem
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On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 7:34 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Steve Nickolas wrote:
I thought the epoch of the Internet was January 1, 1983.
Citation, please?
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
suffer."
1:16 a.m.
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On Sun, Apr 08, 2018 at 08:06:50PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
That BTW: the difference between ARPAnet to IP and IPv4 to v6 switch.
The other difference is that IPv4 was a well-designed protocol, where
IPv6 is a hodgepodge of harebrained pet projects. Despite being tagged
version 6, it's the worst case of Second-System Effect I've ever seen in
my life.
Most sites I know of that have chosen to sit it out so far have done so
because it's a massive engineering lift with little discernable benefit;
it merely trades IPv4's problems for newer, experimental problems.
This is the same situation that keeps UNIX entrenched: it's not
flawless, but we understand the flaws, and the core design is at least
comprehensible.
khm
8 Apr
8 Apr
11:34 p.m.
New subject: Happy birthday, Internet!
On Sat, 7 Apr 2018, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I have this vague memory that the Internet-History
list decided that the
appropriate day was actually the day the format of the v4 headers was
set, i.e. 16 June, 1978. (See IEN-68, pg. 12, top.)
I'm happy to be corrected if we can reach a consensus; history is written
by the victors, after all.
Picking the date of RFC-1 seems a little odd. Why not
the day the first
packet was send over a deployed IMP, or the day the RFP was sent out, or
the contract let? And the ARPANet was just one predecessor; one might
equally have picked a CYCLADES date...
I saw the reference on one of those history sites, I think. And I already
have the date of the first packet. Again, updates to my list are always
welcome; I'm not pronouncing them ex-cathedra or anything...
I myself prefer the formulation 'there are many
white houses, but only
one White House'! :-)
Yeah, well...
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suffer."
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