18 May
2015
18 May
'15
10:36 a.m.
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I can't recall who
wrote it.
Doug
18 May
18 May
11:49 a.m.
New subject: Questions about the history of cut(1)
Doug McIlroy scripsit:
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I
can't recall who
wrote it.
Huh. I didn't know paste(1) existed; I've always used pr -m to laminate
files (with appropriate options to shut off the unwanted formatting).
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2:04 p.m.
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[2015-05-18 06:36] Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu>
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I can't recall who
wrote it.
Thanks for your reply.
I checked the PWB code of bostic and spencer ...
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=PWB1
... but couldn't find any signs of cut or paste there.
meillo
3:01 p.m.
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On Monday, May 18, 2015, markus schnalke <meillo(a)marmaro.de> wrote:
[2015-05-18 06:36] Doug McIlroy
<doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu <javascript:;>>
FreeBSD man page states it originated in System III. If you browse the
code of it, it is certainly there, but System III was a mix of various
versions, including PWB/UNIX.
Anyway, a very interesting research subject. Keep going!
--Andy
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I can't recall who
wrote it.
Thanks for your reply.
I checked the PWB code of bostic and spencer ...
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=PWB1
... but couldn't find any signs of cut or paste there.
3:20 p.m.
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On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Andy Kosela <akosela(a)andykosela.com>
wrote:
System III was a mix of various versions, including
PWB/UNIX.
System III was originally called PWB 3.0 and early distributions from AT&T
has the covers as PWB 3.0 on it.
The name "System III" was a rebranding. At the time, AT&T wanted to make
a run at the enterprise computer business and marketing types did not think
the PWB moniker was a good idea when trying to sell it.
You are correct, the PWB 3.0 took a number things from a lot of different
places, including the Columbus guys [who gave use the shmat() and ip stuff,
as well a Napierville, Whippany etc.], much less what came from Research.
Research Seventh Edition kernel went out to the operating companies in PWB
2.0, so by the time 3.0 was done, the v7's kernel basis was already
established. It was not generally available outside the Bell System, but
some people did have it - probably from the OYOC types who brought it with
them for some feature or another.
Clem
3:06 p.m.
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I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was
"rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB
2.0. Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight,
but do not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a
TAR image from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
Clem
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I
can't recall who
wrote it.
Doug
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6:06 p.m.
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Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me.
[2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com>
I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was
"rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0.
Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do
not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a TAR image
from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
This is what I found out so far:
1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
the same.
2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.
4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
which date November 1979:
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
(cut is on PDF page 57)
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
useful information at all on CB Unix.
Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.
I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.
meillo
10:18 p.m.
New subject: Questions about the history of cut(1)
CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2
had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have
any doc or source to confirm that.
On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and
encouraged me.
[2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com>
I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely
in PWB 3.0 [which was
"rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0.
Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do
not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a TAR image
from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
This is what I found out so far:
1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
the same.
2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.
4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
which date November 1979:
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
(cut is on PDF page 57)
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
useful information at all on CB Unix.
Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.
I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.
meillo
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+1
Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had
it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0.
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah(a)mhorton.net> wrote:
CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a
strong hint that PWB 2
had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any
doc or source to confirm that.
On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote:
Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped
and encouraged me.
[2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com>
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I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely
in PWB 3.0 [which was
"rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in
PWB 2.0.
Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight,
but do
not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a TAR
image
from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check.
This is what I found out so far:
1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c
In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's
the same.
2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/
3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0.
4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I
haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages,
which date November 1979:
ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf
(cut is on PDF page 57)
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much
useful information at all on CB Unix.
Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on.
I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and
CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix.
meillo
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[2015-06-01 10:14] Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com>
+1
Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had
it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0.
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah(a)mhorton.net> wrote:
> CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2
> had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any
> doc or source to confirm that.
Thanks to both of you.
meillo
18 May
18 May
3:13 p.m.
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On Mon, May 18, 2015, at 06:36, Doug McIlroy wrote:
I believe cut/paste originated in PWB Unix, but I
can't recall who
wrote it.
Who or what is the GWRL referenced in the comments?
/* cut : cut and paste columns of a table (projection of a relation)
(GWRL) */
/* paste: concatenate corresponding lines of each file in parallel.
Release 1.4 (GWRL) */
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