Exactly; the bloat in the later Unix versions killed what I feel was the _single best thing_ about early Unix - which was its awesome, un-matched bang/buck ratio. _That_ is what made me such a huge fan of Unix, even though as an operating system person, I was, and remain, a big fan of Multics (maybe the only person in the world who really likes both :-), which I still think was a better long-term path for OSes (long discussion of why elided to keep this short). I mean, as an operating system, I don't find Unix that memorable; it's (until recently) a monolithic kernel, with all that entails. Doing networking work on it was a total PITA! When I looked across as what Dave Clark was able to do on Multics, with its single-level memory, and layered OS, doing TCP/IP, I was sky-blue pink with envy. Noel