The original publication of the Ken and Dennis Turing Award lectures was in August 1984 CACM. I gather there may have been some sort of repeat a few years ago, but my CACM collection, like my UNIX collection, is on the ancient side, so I don't know about that. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA52219 for pups-liszt; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:12:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from spektr.eu.org (spektr.teracom.se [195.84.7.43]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA52213 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:11:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jp@localhost) by spektr.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA64990 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:11:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jp(a)spektr.eu.org) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:11:12 +0100 (CET) From: Jorgen Pehrson <jp(a)spektr.eu.org> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: RE: Viral Unix Compiler In-Reply-To: <5AE253C4A378D011A0520000F830A87D5D26AC(a)sydnt4.syd.cogita.co.nz> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001070108050.64922-100000(a)spektr.eu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Grant Maizels wrote: If you check the first line on that web page, you'll notice that it says: "Reprinted from Communication of the ACM, Vol. 27, No. 8, August 1984, pp. 761-763. Copyright © 1984, Association for Computing Machinery, Inc." So I'll guess the original print date was August 8 1984. -- Jörgen Pehrson jp(a)spektr.eu.org http://spektr.eu.org/~jp/ ----------------------------------------------------------- "Bill Gates and Richard Stallman Meet in Airport; Thousands Killed in Resulting Explosion. News at 11." 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Grant -----Original Message----- From: Jorgen Pehrson [mailto:jp@spektr.eu.org] Sent: Friday, 7 January 2000 11:11 To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: RE: Viral Unix Compiler On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Grant Maizels wrote: common If you check the first line on that web page, you'll notice that it says: "Reprinted from Communication of the ACM, Vol. 27, No. 8, August 1984, pp. 761-763. Copyright © 1984, Association for Computing Machinery, Inc." So I'll guess the original print date was August 8 1984. -- Jörgen Pehrson jp(a)spektr.eu.org http://spektr.eu.org/~jp/ ----------------------------------------------------------- "Bill Gates and Richard Stallman Meet in Airport; Thousands Killed in Resulting Explosion. News at 11." Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA54308 for pups-liszt; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:07:40 +1100 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA54304 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 19:07:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from world.std.com (bdc(a)world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07928 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bdc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01227 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 03:07:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:07:03 -0800 From: Brian D Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Viral Unix Compiler In-Reply-To: <200001060935.UAA48295(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.04.10001062352070.9097-100000(a)world.std.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 norman(a)nose.cita.utoronto.ca wrote: [...] Well, I think the whole basis for Richard Stallman's formation of the FSF and the GNU project during the 1980's was to keep alive the inherently "Open Source" nature of the software created during preceding decades. I hope not many people actually believe that Open Source is new concept. My personal take on Stallman is that he's a little whacked, but I do respect him incredibly for the work he's done with through the FSF. I think the industry could very easily have gone the Shareware route of the PC world had the GNU project, and eventually Linux, not entered the scene. It's possible we'd still have been okay with Linux once FreeBSD and NetBSD became a reality, but I believe Linux's early appearance struck just at exactly the right moment -- just when the web was being born. There's an immense amount of work ahead, but at least we're maintaining our history... and hopefully some people are learning from it. -brian. --- Brian Chase | bdc(a)world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ ----- It is good that the world has Internet, for the world can see living math done from the pouring of the concrete foundation all the way up to where the beautiful pictures are hung on the wall and the microwave is warming up cheese burritos. -- Archimedes Plutonium, 1995