28 Mar
2022
28 Mar
'22
9:03 p.m.
Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
Cheers, Warren
9:27 p.m.
received.
TUHS people must be too distracted by the OSI tangents at
internet-history(a)elists.isoc.org
Charlie
On 3/28/2022 4:03 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone
belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
Cheers, Warren
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9:29 p.m.
Is it time for vi vs emacs or BSD license vs GPL wars? Be careful what
you wish for :-)
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 07:03:56AM +1000, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone
belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
Cheers, Warren
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29 Mar
29 Mar
1:14 a.m.
On 3/28/22 5:29 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
Is it time for vi vs emacs or BSD license vs GPL wars?
Be careful what
you wish for :-)
<let them fight.gif>
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28 Mar
28 Mar
9:43 p.m.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone
belly up, as it's been
pretty quiet for a week :-)
Just lurking (but saving all posts) as I pursue other interests; looking
after my diabetes is somewhat high on the list...
-- Dave
10:24 p.m.
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
Cheers, Warren
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all the mailing lists I am
on and I am wondering why.
11:23 p.m.
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via TUHS
<tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
Greg
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quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why. 
11:29 p.m.
LA county had a day off from school: Cezar Chavez day!
On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
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???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why. 
11:56 p.m.
If apple formed a union, would it be "united fruit" -that would seem
appropriate on Cezar Chavez day...
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
LA county had a day off from school: Cezar Chavez day!
On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
Greg
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quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
29 Mar
29 Mar
midnight
On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
It seems to be a longer term trend than a holiday or a month of
Ukraine war. May be people are moving to newer platforms (forums,
twitter, reddit, discord) or newer topics.
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
12:31 a.m.
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 17:00:22 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
I never cease to marvel at peoples' capacity for masochism. But there
are other things too, like the daily FreeBSD commit mail, which also
seems to have dipped a few days ago. And that's frequently an
indication of some more global holiday than Cesar Chavez.
But it's interesting to read about Cesar Chavez. Thanks to whoever
mentioned it.
Greg
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On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah wrote:
It seems to be a longer term trend than a holiday or a month of
Ukraine war. May be people are moving to newer platforms (forums,
twitter, reddit, discord) or newer topics. On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why. 
12:31 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had a series of
PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and later V7. It was later
upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’
that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of
the future.
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a
perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about
having
to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search and replace was
very fast.
-L
Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs. I complained about the
key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.
12:53 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Aaah, just what we need, an editor discussion.
My first hands on experience was with PC/IX on an XT. ISC provided INed,
which I was told was based on the Rand Editor. INed was a gentle
transition from using XEDIT on VM/370, so I was comfortable with INed.
But one of my Unix mentors persuaded me to use vi, and that has been my
preferred editor since roughly 1985, assuming you count Vim as vi, since
I mostly use Vim on Linux, Windows and macOS, only occasionally using
real vi.
Charlie
On 3/28/2022 7:31 PM, Lawrence Stewart wrote:
At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was
there 1976-81, we had a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running
V6 and later V7. It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’
that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of
the future.
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a
perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about
having
to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search and replace was
very fast.
-L
Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs. I complained about the
key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.
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8:29 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
I used SOS a bit, but did anyone use Stopgap itself, or only its son?
-rob
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Charles H Sauer (he/him)
<sauer(a)technologists.com> wrote:
Aaah, just what we need, an editor discussion.
My first hands on experience was with PC/IX on an XT. ISC provided INed,
which I was told was based on the Rand Editor. INed was a gentle
transition from using XEDIT on VM/370, so I was comfortable with INed.
But one of my Unix mentors persuaded me to use vi, and that has been my
preferred editor since roughly 1985, assuming you count Vim as vi, since
I mostly use Vim on Linux, Windows and macOS, only occasionally using
real vi.
Charlie
On 3/28/2022 7:31 PM, Lawrence Stewart wrote:
At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I
was there 1976-81, we had a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34
running V6 and later V7. It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command, I think ‘%’
that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of
the future.
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re, which was a
perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to complain about
having
to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search and replace was
very fast.
-L
Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs. I complained about the
key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command, or cc.
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1:24 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:31 AM Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I used SOS a bit, but did anyone use Stopgap itself,
or only its son?
I was going to ask the same question.
Funny, I still often (tend) to use line numbers to do multi-line operations
not marks - probably because SOS was one of the first editors I learned and
first I learned to use really well.
Now here is where my memory is hazy. I do remember using SOS on the
PDP-10s which had mostly glass TTYs, but for some reason I have memories of
using it on an ASR-33 on the TSS/360 - which must be wrong. I thinking,
there probably had to have been an IBM editor similar to it that I'm
confusing with the TOPS/TENEX. I also have no memories of what editor we
used on the original VMS V1.0 machine -- it must have been a member of the
TECO family, although again I want to say we had something like SOS.
I do remember that learning ed(1) on UNIX was a piece of cake and
immediately loved regex for patterns. I was still doing some PDP-10
hacking for the CS-Dept in those days, and bitching that I wanted ed(1) on
the 10s after I mastered it.
Clem
8:34 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
One called ned? It did something unusual to handle > 80 long lines. I think
it came off a DECUS tape. I only lasted a week and went back to SOS.
Teco was painful. I felt I was being laughed at. I have the manual still
and ran a port on BSD for a while but I wound up laughing at myself.
G
8:40 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org]).
I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell. I think it was originally written for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
Arnold
1:45 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0
tape. IMHO: it was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of
the rest of the Bell System and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD
be bad/crude" 'tude. IIRC ber and mmp must have had it running on the
Marx's brothers systems in Whippany. But he had vi, so I personally never
used it.
@Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and
starting the terminfo work. Do you have any memories?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen
editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org]).
I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell. I think it was originally written for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
Arnold
2:31 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
se?
this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
from piscataway to murray hill.
it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
System 4 through the early days of System V.
my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole
<clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0 tape. IMHO: it
was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of the rest of the Bell System
and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD be bad/crude" 'tude. IIRC
ber and mmp must have had it running on the Marx's brothers systems in Whippany. But
he had vi, so I personally never used it.
@Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and starting the
terminfo work. Do you have any memories?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com
<mailto:arnold@skeeve.com>> wrote:
Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org
<http://se-editor.org/>]).
I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell. I think it was originally written for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
Arnold
2:35 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
nothing else about it.
Is there any chance you still have the source?
Thanks,
Arnold
Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
se?
this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
from piscataway to murray hill.
it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
System 4 through the early days of System V.
my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Clem Cole
<clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
Arnold, I agree, I do remember seeing it on what I think was the PWB 4.0 tape. IMHO: it
was before cshell, termcap, vi et al was released inside of the rest of the Bell System
and there seemed to be sometimes "SW from BSD be bad/crude" 'tude. IIRC
ber and mmp must have had it running on the Marx's brothers systems in Whippany. But
he had vi, so I personally never used it.
@Mary Ann - this would have been around the time you were in Columbus and starting the
terminfo work. Do you have any memories?
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 5:29 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com
<mailto:arnold@skeeve.com>> wrote:
Did anyone within the Bell System ever use a screen editor called 'se'?
(NOT related to the Georgia Tech se editor [se-editor.org
<http://se-editor.org/>]).
I used this on a USG UNIX 4.0 system ~ 1982 when I did some contract
programming at Southern Bell. I think it was originally written for
the Vax but it had been squeezed to run on a PDP-11/70 also.
I've mentioned this in the past, but it seems to been covered over
by the sands of time, and that nobody else ever used it.
Arnold
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
alas, no.
it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
it was part of some office automation set of software;
maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.
i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.
On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
nothing else about it.
Is there any chance you still have the source?
Thanks,
Arnold
Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
> se?
>
> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
> from piscataway to murray hill.
>
> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>
> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:59 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
se(1) is in my UNIX 5.0 manual, which was the internal version of System
V release 1. It makes sense that it would be the one Andrew wrote.
My recollection is that se was the result of Not Invented Here. There
was lots of demand for vi in the internal USG version of UNIX, and it
was present in exptools, but not the official distribution of UNIX.
(Lots of demand for emacs, too, also in exptools.) Rather than adopt one
of them, se was written. I think it appeared about UNIX 4.2.
My UNIX 5.0 manual also has vi(1). Once vi was installed, demand for se
went away. I'm not sure when it was dropped, but it's not in my SVID.
Mary Ann
On 3/29/22 07:42, Andrew Hume wrote:
alas, no.
it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
it was part of some office automation set of software;
maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.
i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.
> On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
>
> Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
>
> The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
> nothing else about it.
>
> Is there any chance you still have the source?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
>
> Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
>
>> se?
>>
>> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
>> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
>> from piscataway to murray hill.
>>
>> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
>> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
>> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>>
>> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
5:11 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
So the question is, does anyone have a UNIX 4.0 source tape?
Otherwise, I think it probably really is lost in the sands
of time.
Thanks,
Arnold
Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
alas, no.
it should have been on some official source tapes, tho.
it was part of some office automation set of software;
maybe that was mentioned in the tapes.
i too remember nothing about it. outside of doing it
because management wanted it, i never optionally used it.
On Mar 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM, arnold(a)skeeve.com
wrote:
Cool! I bet this was it! It was on a System 4 system.
The commands were entered at the top of the screen. I remember almost
nothing else about it.
Is there any chance you still have the source?
Thanks,
Arnold
Andrew Hume <andrew(a)humeweb.com> wrote:
> se?
>
> this may be a consequence for using such a bland name for a screen editor,
> but i wrote a screen editor called ’se’ in 1981-83, just after we had moved
> from piscataway to murray hill.
>
> it was part of an effort to do office automation style products for Unix,
> and came in around the time Unix transitioned from System III through
> System 4 through the early days of System V.
>
> my se was not very good, but i did have denis ritchie as an early tester.
29 Mar
29 Mar
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Hi,
there are s variants of se out there. Only one known to me
git://github.com/screen-editor/se.git
https://github.com/screen-editor/se
Von: Lawrence Stewart <stewart(a)serissa.com>
Datum: 29.03.2022 02:31:14
An: TUHS(a)tuhs.org
Betreff: [TUHS] Old screen editors
At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had
a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and
later V7. It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command,
I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud
Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re,
which was a perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to
complain about having
to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search and
replace was very fast.
-L
Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs. I complained
about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command,
or cc.
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
This is the Georgia Tech 'se' screen editor, originally written in
Ratfor as an extension of the Software Tool editor. It was ported to
Unix by Dan Forsyth and to termcap/terminfo by me.
Dan Cort brought it into the 21st century. It's not related to 's'
or any other previous screen editor.
Arnold
"Thomas Paulsen" <thomas.paulsen(a)firemail.de> wrote:
Hi,
there are s variants of se out there. Only one known to me
git://github.com/screen-editor/se.git
https://github.com/screen-editor/se
Von: Lawrence Stewart <stewart(a)serissa.com>
Datum: 29.03.2022 02:31:14
An: TUHS(a)tuhs.org
Betreff: [TUHS] Old screen editors
At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we had
a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 and
later V7. It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70.
At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a command,
I think ‘%’ that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p which on our 9600 baud
Hazeltine’s was a glimpse of the future.
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the “Rand Editor” re,
which was a perfectly
functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back to
complain about having
to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search and
replace was very fast.
-L
Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy’s version of microemacs. I complained
about the key bindings and he told me to use the “change configuration” command,
or cc.
30 Mar
30 Mar
8:37 a.m.
New subject: Old screen editors
Hi Lawrence,
At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the
“Rand Editor”
re, which was a perfectly functional screen editor, if you squinted a
bit.
Does anyone here know the place of re in the history?
RAND's re from 1974 had become Ned, for New Editor by 1977 when Ned's
author, Walt Bilofsky, later founder of The Software Toolworks, wrote
RAND report R2176. https://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R2176.html
Over the past few years Ned, a text editor utilizing the full
capabilities of the CRT display, has been under development and in
use at The Rand Corporation...
The Ned editor runs on the PDP-11 series of computers under
the UNIX operating system. It uses a CRT display to provide a
two-dimensional window into a text file... ...rectangular portions of
text may be opened, deleted, and moved about... The set of operations
may be expanded by user-provided or system-provided text-processing
programs... The screen may be divided into several editing windows...
Chapter 3 has the history of IDA-CRD → Yale Editor ‘E’ → RAND
editor ‘re’ → Ned.
--
Cheers, Ralph.
29 Mar
29 Mar
1:10 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul Shah
wrote:
Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.
-uso.
On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
Greg
???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why. 
6:37 a.m.
in the US and the UK, on different weekends afaik.
- Henry Mensch
On March 28, 2022 21:21:12 Steve Nickolas <usotsuki(a)buric.co> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy' Lehey
wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul
Shah wrote:
Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.
-uso. On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
Greg
???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been pretty
quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
8:46 p.m.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Henry Mensch wrote:
in the US and the UK, on different weekends afaik.
Not to mention AU/NZ; countries have different rules (if they have DST at
all); I'm always amused by people who think that their country's local
customs (not just DST) are world-wide.
- Henry Mensch
On March 28, 2022 21:21:12 Steve Nickolas <usotsuki(a)buric.co> wrote:
-- Dave
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey wrote:
On Monday, 28 March 2022 at 15:24:38 -0700, Bakul
Shah wrote:
Not that I'm aware of... just the clocks going forward.
-uso. On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Warren Toomey via
TUHS <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> ???Just checking that the TUHS list hasn't gone belly up, as it's been
pretty
> quiet for a week :-)
My impression is that there is much less traffic on pretty much all
the mailing lists I am on and I am wondering why.
Yes, I had noticed that too. I had assumed a US holiday or some
such. Was there one?
Greg 
9:53 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
I'm always amused by people who think that their
country's local
customs (not just DST) are world-wide.
THEODOTUS. Caesar: you are a stranger here, and not conversant with our
laws. The kings and queens of Egypt may not marry except with their own
royal blood. Ptolemy and Cleopatra are born king and consort just as they
are born brother and sister.BRITANNUS (shocked).
Caesar: this is not proper.
THEODOTUS (outraged).
How!
CAESAR (recovering his self-possession).
Pardon him. Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of
his tribe and island are the laws of nature.BRITANNUS. On the contrary,
Caesar, it is these Egyptians who are barbarians; and you do wrong to
encourage them. I say it is a scandal.
― George Bernard Shaw, Caesar and Cleopatra
<https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1689832>
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