[TUHS] First machine to run rogue?

[Dan Cross]

Ah thanks, very cool.  Btw, Ken Arnold, Michael Toy, and Glenn Wichman were
all on a panel discussing rogue and Ken mentioned that source listing. Some
folks might find it interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaB7iQhts_c

Thanks!

        - Dan C.


On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:22 AM Richard Salz <rich.salz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken Arnold posted the original source to
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/rogue/ back in 2000.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:12 AM Bakul Shah <bakul at iitbombay.org> wrote:
>
>> Glenn wrote up a brief history where he says it was first distributed
>> with 4.2bsd.
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/19980625212119/http://www.wichman.org/roguehistory.html
>>
>> @ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college students working for a
>> contract company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for us. He was one
>> of them and later we hired him full time. I didn’t interact with him much
>> though and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I think initially we
>> had only a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do not recall if he
>> brought it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the  Fortune machine. I
>> used to play Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to finish. A few years
>> ago I got it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 100%!
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Dan Cross <crossd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM <arnold at skeeve.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is the rogue source extant?  I remember many people spending many
>>> hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech.
>>>
>>> ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source.
>>>
>>
>> It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The
>> sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about
>> the provenance of that code.
>>
>>         - Dan C.
>>
>>
>> Arnold
>>>
>>> Dan Cross <crossd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion is
>>> > that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don’t
>>> remember
>>> > > if we had it on the 11/60 before that.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross <crossd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it was
>>> written
>>> > >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, using
>>> the
>>> > >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrite).
>>> I've seen
>>> > >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition, but
>>> that
>>> > >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in BSD is
>>> in 2.79
>>> > >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to ship
>>> curses.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Anyone have any info? Thanks!
>>> > >>
>>> > >>         - Dan C.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
>>> > >
>>>
>>
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