TUHS November 2003

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by Pat Villani

Folks, After studying the source code for a while, I found a few explicit and implicit vaxisms that need to be rectified. I'd like to purge the source entirely of these vaxisms, but that would mean that if anyone wants to port what I do back to VAX, they'll need to do some work. Also, this mailing list is fairly low traffic, and for now my activities are very low traffic as well. Should I set up a separate mailing list for those interested in this project? Opinions? Pat -- Outer space is no place for a person of breeding. -- Lady Violet Bonham Carter

20 years, 5 months

Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

by Aharon Robbins

> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:13:16 +1300 > From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!) > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers. Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System V Release 3 code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that environment (not that anyone ever used it). Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc. Arnold

20 years, 5 months

Re: AW: [pups] History of 2 BSD

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Mario Premke <premke(a)ess-wowi.de> wrote: > Wouldn't that mean to port a 32bit OS (4BSD) back to 16bit (2.xBSD)? Yes. I've never been a fan of 2.xBSD personally. MS

20 years, 5 months

Re: [pups] History of 2 BSD

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Mario Premke <premke(a)ess-wowi.de> wrote: > but I wonder when the step from > 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. It was not made in BSD. It was made at Ma Bell: the step from V7 to 32V (VAX port of V7). The first Berkeley kernel, 3BSD, was based on 32V and ran on the VAX. (1BSD and 2BSD were distributions of userland utilities and had no kernel. Users added those utilities to their existing V6 or V7 systems.) > Was 2BSD only running on the PDP-11, or > was it ported to other architectures as well? 2BSD was a collection of Berkeley's userland utilities like ex and csh and as such not tied to any particular architecture. While most people used those utilities on V6 and V7 systems (PDP-11), there is no reason why you couldn't compile them under 32V (VAX), or on the Interdata port, or whatever. Don't confuse 2BSD with 2.xBSD, though. The latter came much much later (after 4BSD) and was a backport of some 4BSD features to PDP-11. That one does have a kernel, it's the V7 kernel with some 4BSD bits backported to it. It's what evolutionary biologists call reverse evolution. > What architecture were the > 32bit versions developed on in the beginning? VAX. MS

20 years, 5 months

[pups] History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD)

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Mario Premke: but I wonder when the step from 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. Michael Sokolov: It was not made in BSD. It was made at Ma Bell: the step from V7 to 32V (VAX port of V7). You're a little late: researchers at Bell Labs ported UNIX to the 32-bit Interdata 8/32 in 1977. I don't think the resulting system was widely used, but the lessons learned greatly influenced V7. In particular typedef and unsigned were added to C, the compiler became more honest about type checking, and system-interface data structures like struct stat were installed in standard include files rather than being copied into every program. Others ported the system in those carefree days as well, in particular Richard Miller at the University of Wollongong, but I don't know much about the other efforts. But the VAX was by no means the first 32-bit port. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

20 years, 5 months

[pups] History of 2 BSD

by Mario Premke

Hello list, hopefully this is not OFF-Topic too far ... but I wonder when the step from 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. As far as I can see 2BSD is 16bit whereas the succesor(s) is 32bit already. Was 2BSD only running on the PDP-11, or was it ported to other architectures as well? What architecture were the 32bit versions developed on in the beginning? Thanks in advance Mario Premke

20 years, 5 months

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by Kenneth Stailey

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20 years, 5 months

Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Speaking of X on Heritage Unix I have a Sun 3/60M with the 1280x1024 monochrome > display. The only display server I have ever gotten to work on it is on NetBSD > 1.3 running the pre-XFree86 X11R6. > > I'm wondering if there are any older UNIXes I could use. I would more than welcome a volunteer to port 4.3BSD-Quasijarus to m68k. (Using pcc of course.) Wanna tackle that one? MS

20 years, 5 months

RE: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

All, Can anyone suggest some good unix mailing list. Regards, Naveen -----Original Message----- From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@tuhs.org] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:19 PM To: Philip, Naveen J (Naveen) Cc: 'tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org' Subject: Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!! On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:00:57PM +0530, Philip, Naveen J (Naveen) wrote: > Hi > All > I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the > xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a gui > on the xterm window. Naveen, this is a mailing list about Heritage Unix. I don't think your question counts as such, unless you're running X11R3 on a Sun2 or something similar. Cheers, Warren

20 years, 5 months

Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

> Hi > All > I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the > xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a > gui on the xterm window. > The following is the command I am using to start the xterm .It is failing > and giving the error. > > remsh hostname " . /home/john/.profile >/dev/null 2> /dev/null;xterm" > stty: invalid command > xterm Xt error: Can't open display > > also can you let me know once the xterm is open how do we lauch the gui > on the xterm window using the same remoteshell.The gui name is nam_gui. > > > Regards, > Naveen

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TUHS November 2003