TUHS November 2003

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Re: [TUHS] 32I status as of 17 Nov 2003

by macbiesz＠optonline.net

Perhaps v7upgrade would make a nice combination with the 32I kernel. http://www.southern-storm.com.au/v7upgrade.html Maciek > > > > 3. Gcc is tool chain unless someone wants to take on 32V > compiler. May > > take advantage of inline and asm in machine dependent files. > > > > I wouldn't recommend using the 32V compiler, mainly because there > > are so many syntax changes, as well as newer compiler technology, > > missing from it as to make it a very challenging project. > > There are a couple of options here. One is to use one of the > compilersfrom MIT that will match the code in 32V very closely. > You can google for > these if they aren't already on Warren's site. The other option > is to use LCC. I wouldn't use GCC if I were doing it. (Of course > I'm not > so these are just suggestions.)>

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RE: [pups] DEC PRO or P/OS

by Fred N. van Kempen

> A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly) > CPU. The 380 had a J11, the 350 had an F11. I *believe* the 280 was somewhere between an 11/73 and an 11/53, and the 350 was somewhat like an 11/23. > I think you could also run RT-11 on them. Some big VAX models > had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on > the Pro's. Correct. If memory serves me right, you had P/OS (a menu-driven branch of the RT11 system), and Venix, a somewhat Unix-like system. Given some work, one should be able to get standard RT working on it. --f

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Re: [pups] DEC PRO or P/OS

by John Holden

On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:05:33PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > A Pro350 was an F11, a Pro380 a T11 (I hope I remember this correctly) > CPU. I think you could also run RT-11 on them. Some big VAX models > had Pro's as console processors/systems. RD5x disk drives on the Pro's. > And special I/O cards which only fit in Pros. The Pro380 used the J11 chip. The T11 was a totally different chip, with only the base instruction set (no multiply/divide/floating point) and 8 or 16 bit bus

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Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

by macbiesz＠optonline.net

A couple years ago, Sun released Solaris 8 source for free. The whole system is full of SVisms, and AFAIK, the source remains free. Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:58 am Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!) > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:13:16 +1300 > > From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> > > Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote > xterm!!)> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees > of its old > > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the > Linux and > > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from > SCO, the > > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of > Rumourmongers. > Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System > V Release 3 > code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that > environment (not that > anyone ever used it). Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc. > > Arnold > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs >

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[pups] Re: History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD)

by Dennis Ritchie

Greg Lehey wrote, > > Others ported the system in those carefree days as well, in > > particular Richard Miller at the University of Wollongong, but I > > don't know much about the other efforts. > I believe the Wollongong port predated the one at Bell Labs. Peter > Gray tells me he still has the original machine they used, and he'd > like to find a museum-like place to keep it. No idea whether it > runs. Greg Rose should know a lot more about this matter. Greg, are > you out there? Having the original Wollongong Interdata 7/32 might be interesting to the Computer History museum, though it might be expensive to transport it across the Pacific. As for dates: the Wollongong port was essentially contemporaneous with ours, certainly independent, and was declared in production sooner (July 1977 vs. spring 1978). Ours was "in principle" done by Aug. 1977, theirs by April '77. Various papers are gathered at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/portpapers.html Greg Rose is definitely still extant. Dennis

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[pups] PDP-11 Documents

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Here's a comment from my side of the pond. Al Kossow has a great collection of PDF files on the PDP-11. Right now I'm grabbing the ones that discuss my current collection of problems. The location is http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/ >From that one, and behind it, sits his entire collection. But that space is entirely the PDP-11. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

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[pups] RL driver for v6

by Naoki Hamada

Hi. I backported an RL driver to v6 and salvaged files from "v6_rl02_unknown" using it (on SIMH). See http://www.tom-yam.or.jp/2238/rl/ Enjoy! Naoki Hamada nao(a)tom-yam.or.jp

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Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

Hi All I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a gui on the xterm window. The following is the command I am using to start the xterm .It is failing and giving the error. remsh hostname " . /home/john/.profile >/dev/null 2> /dev/null;xterm" stty: invalid command xterm Xt error: Can't open display also can you let me know once the xterm is open how do we lauch the gui on the xterm window using the same remoteshell.The gui name is nam_gui. Regards, Naveen

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[pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed?

by Fred N. van Kempen

Ow, c'mon. In *australia*, how hard can it be to find or make space for that priceless collection? Geez! Given the nearly-complete collection of DEC systems, HP-Oz should be deeply ashamed if they don't pitch in, along with other vendors and local support techs. We can't expect all companies to maintain a collection that reflects their history (for tech-practical reasons alone), but we *should* be able to expect them to help others who do it "for" them... > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby Thain [mailto:tobyhome@telegraphics.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:08 PM > To: Dave Horsfall > Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD) > > > > On 11/11/2003, at 3:01 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dennis Ritchie wrote: > > > >>> I believe the Wollongong port predated the one at Bell > Labs. Peter > >>> Gray tells me he still has the original machine they > used, and he'd > >>> like to find a museum-like place to keep it. No idea whether it > >>> runs. Greg Rose should know a lot more about this > matter. Greg, are > >>> you out there? > >> > >> Having the original Wollongong Interdata 7/32 might > >> be interesting to the Computer History museum, though > >> it might be expensive to transport it across the Pacific. > > > > Perhaps this would be a better home for it: > > > > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/museum.htm > > It would not be a safe home until they have solved their eviction > problem (now due for mid-Dec 2003): > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/19/1053196515142.html > and http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > > Given the significance of the machine in question, IMHO it would be > safer in care of private individuals until an Australian computer > museum is funded - > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > ACMS%20Prospectus%20rec%20on%2005Feb2003.htm > > Toby > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

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[pups] Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus

by John Holden

Gregg C Levine wrote :- > I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its > lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. DEC didn't use 2901's in central processors, but the FPU's for 11/34 and 11/44 used 16 of them to make the 64 bit data path for the FPU. They were also used in some peripherals like the KMC-11. A lot of OEM's (like Emulex) used them in disk/tape/terminal controllers.

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