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My two cents' worth on the latest fuss: It seems premature to discuss splitting the list unless there is a concrete proposal for how to split it, but I cannot think of a split that would solve the present problem. The real trouble right now is one or two people who cannot resist waving their antlers around in public. We could eliminate them by declaring UNIX on anything but the PDP11 (and perhaps the PDP-7) to be out of bounds, but unless we also refuse to talk about anything post-V7, that is an artificial cutoff; there's a fair bit of shared code between 2.11BSD and 4BSD (wasn't that the point of 2.11 et al?). There's also a genuine link between PDP11 and VAX hardware (nearly all the pre-VAXBI peripheral devices for a start). More important than any of the above, I'd like to ask everyone to try to keep their remarks civil and reasonably to-the-point (difficult though both of those often are in e-mail), and to take conversations that are marginal to the main purpose of the list to direct e-mail rather than broadcasting everything to everyone no matter how peripheral. (Which is not to say that discussion of peripherals aren't relevant.) For example, I had a handful of comments both philosophical and technical on Michael Sokolov's recent postings; they didn't strike me as of general interest, so I mailed them directly to him. To close with a reference nearer to ancient UNIX, I think it was Dennis who once suggested that netnews would have had a much higher signal-to-noise ratio if there had been no `followup' command, so it was easier to send e-mail directly to the original poster than to make a fool of one's self in public. Norman Wilson Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA20323 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:37:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20318 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>au>; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:37:02 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA01601; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:38:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199901270338.OAA01601(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Split of PUPS mail list?? In-Reply-To: <19990127035054.L496(a)krdl.org.sg> from "Joerg B. Micheel" at "Jan 27, 1999 3:50:54 am" To: joerg(a)krdl.org.sg (Joerg B. Micheel) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:38:45 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Joerg B. Micheel: No. I'll take suggestions, then summarise the suggestions and post them next week. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA20369 for pups-liszt; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:43:03 +1100 (EST)