27 Jan
1999
27 Jan
'99
10:08 p.m.
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> wrote:
I have only one things to say to you guys; TECO.
(And besides, EMACS is just a bunch of macros for TECO, GNU-EMACS don't
even count... ;-)
Johnny
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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> I think you'd have to consider a
reboot to be a failure. Steveen
> could say better than I, but I'd expect 2.9BSD to have told you why it
> died. 2.11BSD certainly does.
> Greg
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> You may believe whatever you want, but I
will only remark that several very
> prominent VAX hardware gurus (some of them on this list) support my work very
> eagerly. Whatever you or the NetBSD gang may believe,
"Death to the murderous NetBSD grandparents and the atrocities they've
commited against the true Unix." -- Bee S. D'argic
-brian.
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Brian "JARAI" Chase | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ | VAXZilla LIVES!!!
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I maintain the opposite. VMS _was_ (past tense) the
driver of
VAXEN but that was due to Ken "UNIX is Snake Oil" Olsen. Since DEC
I got a whole different perspective on that Snake Oil thing after reading
"A Quarter Century of UNIX" by Peter Salus. According to Armando Stettner
(DEC Ultrix Architect) Ken Olsen meant, "Much the way people were peddling
snake oil a century ago, now every vendor is hyping Unix as a cure for
everything". He was only making a analogy but the statement was "taken
out of context". Anyway, the book has been enjoyable.
Mike
P.S. Where is Armando now? Is he still doing Unix stuff?
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From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Thu Jan 28
09:10:55 1999
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From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com>
To: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com>
Cc: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: UNIX robustness
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On Wednesday, 27 January 1999 at 5:23:58 -0800, David C. Jenner wrote:
"Steven M. Schultz" wrote:
I think you'd have to consider a reboot to be a failure. Steveen
could say better than I, but I'd expect 2.9BSD to have told you why it
died. 2.11BSD certainly does.
Greg
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At least it's a different thread... ;-)
I had a UNIX system in my house that ran (and was working hard
the whole time) for over 2 years before pity was taken on it
and a beefier replacement system installed. The original system
was a 386/33 serving as a rather busy secondary nameserver and was
never touched/rebooted/powercycled for 2+ years. As time went on the
load increased and it became apparent the system was overloaded (and
paging excessively) so a P5/90 with more memory was installed. A
couple months after that the disk died ;-)
I had (still have) a PDP-11/23+ that ran (still runs) 2.9BSD (with an
honest-to-goodness AT&T binary license) that was my UUCP link to the
net from 1989-1993. At one stretch, it ran almost two years before a
power failure finally got it.
It was unusual to go that long without a power failure, so the limiting
factor was clearly the power and not the hardware or software. The
system has a watchdog timer, so when there was a problem the system would
usually automatically reboot, unless there was a serious hardware problem.
Reboots were fairly rare and usually a power problem, so it would be hard
for me to pinpoint the cause of non-power-instigated reboots. From "Steven M. Schultz"
<sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Jan 28 10:07:22 1999
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From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com>
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Hi -
From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com>
I think you'd have to consider a reboot to be a failure. Steveen
could say better than I, but I'd expect 2.9BSD to have told you why it
died. 2.11BSD certainly does.
Well, it tries its darndest to do so. If the system gets its
knickers sufficiently twisted I've seen it hang part way thru
printing the panic message. 'course then there are the self
inflicted crashes where an errant driver scribbles all over memory,
in which case you may not get a meaningful indication of what
went wrong ;)
Steven
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From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> Thu Jan
28 10:11:56 1999
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From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE>
To: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com>
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What's
that? When I want to edit text I want an editor, not an vi-itor
or an emacsitor, those aren't even words! ED is the standard editor. :)
SURE !!!
I think most people simply forget, that emacs doesn't work so well on a
line printer console ;-)) From "David C. Jenner"
<djenner(a)halcyon.com> Thu Jan 28 13:24:31 1999
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Yes, and it was almost 2 years between reboots. Otherwise, they were
rather rare, and I can't remember why. I have all the console logs
around somewhere under a pile, and if/when I uncover them, I'll look
through them to see what happened. Maybe I'll suddenly report it here
in 6 months--after my next reboot, err, cleanup.
Dave
Greg Lehey wrote:
From Brian D Chase <bdc(a)world.std.com> Thu Jan 28
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Michael Sokolov wrote:
Thor Lancelot Simon <tls(a)rek.tjls.com> wrote:
> > I frankly consider this to be silly, somewhat presumptious, and, for myself,
> > at least, a waste of time. But if it's something _you_ want to do, I
> > encourage you to do it, I suppose.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Brian D Chase wrote:
"Death to the murderous NetBSD grandparents and
the atrocities they've
commited against the true Unix." -- Bee S. D'argic
Yeah, what kind of sadistic, malicious bastards would create a *free*
version of unix, then port it to nearly every platform imaginable!!?!?
What could have been going through their twisted minds?
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