[pups] Booting V6 on 11/34 vs 11/34A ??

That RK05 image boots on an 11/34A just fine. (I own one. Trust me. It just works. No fiddling required). Perhaps you have a plain 11/34, and perhaps there is some difference that matters. But they should both have MMU, but perhaps the MMU in the 34A is different than a 34 in some odd way. Do you have floating point? Maybe that's the problem. You could always try mini-unix... 8-) That should run (it ran on an 11/20). Jay Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:13:30 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? In article by Carl Lowenstein: Yes, but it doesn't boot on an 11/34 :( That's the problem. Cheers, Warren - --- --- Jay R. Jaeger The Computer Collection cube1(a)home.com visit http://members.home.net/thecomputercollection Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA61690 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:48:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mailserver.nktelco.net (mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA61686 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:48:34 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chd(a)nktelco.net) Received: by mailserver.nktelco.net from localhost (router,SLMail V4.1); Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:35:38 -0500 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Received: from nktelco.net [63.238.116.228] by mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3] (SLmail 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id D0A2B493F87E11D4B0A800500424CC10 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: &lt;3A7DDBA8.3C69A521(a)nktelco.net&gt; Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:46:00 -0500 From: "Chuck Dickman" &lt;chd(a)nktelco.net&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 14D76A5B-F97F11D4-B0A80050-0424CC10 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Greetings, I have a PDP-11/73 on which I have installed 2.11 BSD from the PUPS archives. I have a few hardware configurations questions that I hope someone might be able to help me with. The memory board that I have was made by Clearpoint Inc. The board has the markings Q-RAM 44B REV. B and GSB-2. Unfortunately, I have no documentation for the board. The board originally had 1 MB installed, and I added another 1 MB of chips. The extra chips were not recognized though. Does anyone have information on the jumper settings for this board? I have two MSCP controllers installed. One is a CMD CQD-220/M SCSI controller with one drive attached, CSR is the first MSCP controller, and unit is set to 0. The second is an RQDX3 with an RX50 attached. It is set with CSR at the second MSCP controller address. The jumpers are set for unit 1. The result is that I have a SCSI drive at DU0 and the RX50's at DU4 and DU5 during boot. DU0 is ra0 and DU4 is ra12 in 2.11 BSD. If I change the jumpers on RQDX3 to unit 2, I boot at DU8, the first RX50, but I can no longer access the floppies from 2.11 BSD. Looking at the sources, it seems that the drive number is limited to 0-7, but the controller seems to want unit number 8. What am I missing? This seems to occur both in the kernel and in the standalone installation system. Chuck Dickman chd(a)nktelco.net Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA62190 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:01:37 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA62186 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:01:33 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f14NjXN00172 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:45:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200102042345.f14NjXN00172(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - 'fraid I can't be of help with the memory board - that's not my area of expertise. Ah, but I can help with getting the dual MSCP controller question. My 11/73 is similar - it has an Emulex UC08 and the original RQDX3 (with an RD54 and a RX03). Ignore anything you might know about DU numbers ;) 2.11 numbers the drives 0 thru 7 on _each_ controller. Thus 'ra0' thru 'ra7' are on the first controller, 'ra8' thru 'ra15' on the second controller and so on. There is a maximum of 4 controllers supported (two bits in the minor device number). The standalone I/O system uses device names of the form: dev(ctlr, unit, part) where 'ctlr' is the controller number (0 thru 3), the 'unit' number is 0 thru 7 and the 'part' is the partition number (0 thru 7). So, to access the first drive on the second controller from a standalone program the name would be: ra(1,0,0) you probably will be prompted for the CSR since 'boot' and friends only know about the first controller's address. Once the kernel is loaded you access drives on the 2nd controller with device names such as /dev/ra8a, /dev/ra9a, and so on. The "sparse" numbering was chosen (eons and eons ago) to make the MSCP disks look more like the traditional disc controllers which allowed for 8 drives per controller. In my /etc/dtab file I have: ra ? 172154 154 5 raintr # uda50, rqdx1/2/3 ra ? 172150 0 5 raintr # 2nd uda50/uc08 From the console ODT prompt (I've an older MXV11 boot set up) I use "172150 du 0" to boot from the SCSI disk attached to the UC08. When the system is up the RD54 (which is unit 0 on the other MSCP controller) is accessed as 'ra8' (and the RX03 which is unit 1 accessed as 'ra9'). It's pretty simple and regular once one knows what is going on ;) Steven Schultz sms(a)to.gd-es.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA62645 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:52:20 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mailserver.nktelco.net (mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA62637 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:52:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chd(a)nktelco.net) Received: by mailserver.nktelco.net from localhost (router,SLMail V4.1); Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:39:27 -0500 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Received: from nktelco.net [63.238.116.228] by mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3] (SLmail 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id 8253E300FAEF11D4B0A800500424CC10 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:39:27 -0500 Message-ID: &lt;3A7E06BE.F5687560(a)nktelco.net&gt; Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:49:50 -0500 From: "Chuck Dickman" &lt;chd(a)nktelco.net&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F423B2C7167AA36041F4AE52" X-SLUIDL: 14D76C4B-F97F11D4-B0A80050-0424CC10 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F423B2C7167AA36041F4AE52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Steven M. Schultz" wrote: <snip> What you described here makes sense and was my first impression of what should happen, but my experience is different. My /etc/dtab is: ra ? 172150 154 5 raintr # uda50, rqdx1/2/3 ra ? 160334 160 5 raintr # secondary mscp The CQD220 is at 172150 and the RXDX3 is at 160334. Is 172154 a valid MSCP address? It must be, cause it works for you. The docs I have show 160334. On booting the 11/73 and starting 2.11 BSD the following occurs: DU8 and DU9 at boot are the RX50 drives on the second controller. The floppy in DU8 contains the installation standalone utilities that were part of the installation tape, including icheck. ------------ Testing in progress - Please wait Memory Size is 1024 K Bytes 9 Step memory test Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Message 04 Entering Dialog mode Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: B DU8 Trying DU8 Starting system from DU8 .83Boot from ra(1,0,0) at 0160334 .: ra(1,0,0)/icheck .ra(1,0,0) err op=89 sts=3 .ra(1,0,0) !online .: ra(0,0,0)/unix .Boot: bootdev=02400 bootcsr=0172150 . 2.11 BSD UNIX #10: Fri Nov 24 16:52:18 PST 2000 root@mars.chd-net:/usr/src/sys/MARS ra0: Ver 6 mod 13 ra0: RA82 size=1295849 attaching qe0 csr 174440 qe0: DEC DELQA addr 08:00:2b:0e:24:7c attaching lo0 phys mem = 1048576 avail mem = 725696 user mem = 307200 February 1 23:38:41 init: configure system hk ? csr 177440 vector 210 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ht ? csr 172440 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ra 0 csr 172150 vector 154 vectorset attached ra 1 csr 160334 vector 160 vectorset attached rl ? csr 174400 vector 160 skipped: No autoconfig routines. tm ? csr 172520 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ts 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached xp ? csr 176700 vector 254 skipped: No autoconfig routines. erase, kill ^U, intr ^C # # mount /dev/ra8a /mnt/rx0 ra1: Ver 4 mod 3 ra8 st=3 sb=0 fl=0 en=9 /dev/ra8a on /mnt/rx0: Input/output error : not found : not found # mount /dev/ra9a /mnt/rx0 ra9 st=3 sb=0 fl=0 en=9 /dev/ra9a on /mnt/rx0: Input/output error # I agree that it is pretty simple as you describe it and it is what I expected, but it does not seem to be as I see it here. Could the problem be that I am booting from the second controller? Should all the controllers be jumpered for unit 0? Now that I think about it, it may be the boot firmware that is uncooperative. If I set the RQDX3 for unit 0, I cannot boot from the second controller's first disk, but I can from the second. So, I should set all the controller unit numbers to 0. The restriction is that the boot device must be visible to the firmware. Make sense? ... OK, I moved the RQDX3 to unit 0, and the boot floppy to the second drive. The boot is then: -------------- Testing in progress - Please wait Memory Size is 1024 K Bytes 9 Step memory test Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Message 04 Entering Dialog mode Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: B DU1 Trying DU1 Starting system from DU1 .83Boot from ra(1,1,0) at 0160334 .: ra(0,0,0)/unix .Boot: bootdev=02400 bootcsr=0172150 . 2.11 BSD UNIX #10: Fri Nov 24 16:52:18 PST 2000 root@mars.chd-net:/usr/src/sys/MARS ra0: Ver 6 mod 13 ra0: RA82 size=1295849 attaching qe0 csr 174440 qe0: DEC DELQA addr 08:00:2b:0e:24:7c attaching lo0 phys mem = 1048576 avail mem = 725696 user mem = 307200 February 1 23:38:41 init: configure system hk ? csr 177440 vector 210 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ht ? csr 172440 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ra 0 csr 172150 vector 154 vectorset attached ra 1 csr 160334 vector 160 vectorset attached rl ? csr 174400 vector 160 skipped: No autoconfig routines. tm ? csr 172520 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ts 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached xp ? csr 176700 vector 254 skipped: No autoconfig routines. erase, kill ^U, intr ^C # mount /dev/ra9a /mnt/rx0 ra1: Ver 4 mod 3 ra9: RX50 size=800 # ls /mnt/rx0 boot icheck restor unix disklabel mkfs rx50toroot # Thanks for helping me work through this. It looks like the boot device must be within the first 8 devices that the firmware can see, but 2.11 BSD wants all the unit number jumpers set to 0. Chuck Dickman chd(a)nktelco.net --------------F423B2C7167AA36041F4AE52 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: &lt;3A7E052A.D2F195E1(a)nktelco.net&gt; Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:43:06 -0500 From: Chuck Dickman &lt;chd(a)nktelco.net&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Subject: Re: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73 References: &lt;200102042345.f14NjXN00172(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Steven M. Schultz" wrote: <snip> What you described here makes sense and was my first impression of what should happen, but my experience is different. My /etc/dtab is: ra ? 172150 154 5 raintr # uda50, rqdx1/2/3 ra ? 160334 160 5 raintr # secondary mscp The CQD220 is at 172150 and the RXDX3 is at 160334. Is 172154 a valid MSCP address? It must be, cause it works for you. The docs I have show 160334. On booting the 11/73 and starting 2.11 BSD the following occurs: DU8 and DU9 at boot are the RX50 drives on the second controller. The floppy in DU8 contains the installation standalone utilities that were part of the installation tape, including icheck. ------------ Testing in progress - Please wait Memory Size is 1024 K Bytes 9 Step memory test Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Message 04 Entering Dialog mode Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: B DU8 Trying DU8 Starting system from DU8 .83Boot from ra(1,0,0) at 0160334 .: ra(1,0,0)/icheck .ra(1,0,0) err op=89 sts=3 .ra(1,0,0) !online .: ra(0,0,0)/unix .Boot: bootdev=02400 bootcsr=0172150 . 2.11 BSD UNIX #10: Fri Nov 24 16:52:18 PST 2000 root@mars.chd-net:/usr/src/sys/MARS ra0: Ver 6 mod 13 ra0: RA82 size=1295849 attaching qe0 csr 174440 qe0: DEC DELQA addr 08:00:2b:0e:24:7c attaching lo0 phys mem = 1048576 avail mem = 725696 user mem = 307200 February 1 23:38:41 init: configure system hk ? csr 177440 vector 210 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ht ? csr 172440 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ra 0 csr 172150 vector 154 vectorset attached ra 1 csr 160334 vector 160 vectorset attached rl ? csr 174400 vector 160 skipped: No autoconfig routines. tm ? csr 172520 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ts 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached xp ? csr 176700 vector 254 skipped: No autoconfig routines. erase, kill ^U, intr ^C # # mount /dev/ra8a /mnt/rx0 ra1: Ver 4 mod 3 ra8 st=3 sb=0 fl=0 en=9 /dev/ra8a on /mnt/rx0: Input/output error : not found : not found # mount /dev/ra9a /mnt/rx0 ra9 st=3 sb=0 fl=0 en=9 /dev/ra9a on /mnt/rx0: Input/output error # I agree that it is pretty simple as you describe it and it is what I expected, but it does not seem to be as I see it here. Could the problem be that I am booting from the second controller? Should all the controllers be jumpered for unit 0? Now that I think about it, it may be the boot firmware that is uncooperative. If I set the RQDX3 for unit 0, I cannot boot from the second controller's first disk, but I can from the second. So, I should set all the controller unit numbers to 0. The restriction is that the boot device must be visible to the firmware. Make sense? ... OK, I moved the RQDX3 to unit 0, and the boot floppy to the second drive. The boot is then: -------------- Testing in progress - Please wait Memory Size is 1024 K Bytes 9 Step memory test Step 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Message 04 Entering Dialog mode Commands are Help, Boot, List, Setup, Map and Test. Type a command then press the RETURN key: B DU1 Trying DU1 Starting system from DU1 .83Boot from ra(1,1,0) at 0160334 .: ra(0,0,0)/unix .Boot: bootdev=02400 bootcsr=0172150 . 2.11 BSD UNIX #10: Fri Nov 24 16:52:18 PST 2000 root@mars.chd-net:/usr/src/sys/MARS ra0: Ver 6 mod 13 ra0: RA82 size=1295849 attaching qe0 csr 174440 qe0: DEC DELQA addr 08:00:2b:0e:24:7c attaching lo0 phys mem = 1048576 avail mem = 725696 user mem = 307200 February 1 23:38:41 init: configure system hk ? csr 177440 vector 210 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ht ? csr 172440 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ra 0 csr 172150 vector 154 vectorset attached ra 1 csr 160334 vector 160 vectorset attached rl ? csr 174400 vector 160 skipped: No autoconfig routines. tm ? csr 172520 vector 224 skipped: No autoconfig routines. ts 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached xp ? csr 176700 vector 254 skipped: No autoconfig routines. erase, kill ^U, intr ^C # mount /dev/ra9a /mnt/rx0 ra1: Ver 4 mod 3 ra9: RX50 size=800 # ls /mnt/rx0 boot icheck restor unix disklabel mkfs rx50toroot # Thanks for helping me work through this. It looks like the boot device must be within the first 8 devices that the firmware can see, but 2.11 BSD wants all the unit number jumpers set to 0. Chuck Dickman chd(a)nktelco.net --------------F423B2C7167AA36041F4AE52-- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA62886 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:46:33 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA62882 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:46:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sms(a)moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f152Zs901247; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:35:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200102050235.f152Zs901247(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; To: chd(a)nktelco.net, sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Subject: Re: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73 Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - I'm wondering if the console/boot firmware might not be the cause of some of the confusion. Looks good. With 2.11 you can, if you want, leave the interrupt vector as 0, the kernel will allocate an available vector and tell the MSCP controller what vector to use. As long as it doesn't conflict with anything else on the system it's valid ;-) The system came with the RQDX3 and I worked with the RD54 for a while before adding the UC08 - when I added the UC08 I just picked the next free CSR which happened to be 172154. It probably doesn't hurt anything but I would leave off the '/' op=89 is the "ONLINE" command and a status of 3 means the unit didn't go 'online'. That is very strange since 'boot' was obviously loaded from the drive/controller. What I am wondering now is: does the boot monitor pass 0 or 8 thru as the unit number? If it's expecting 8 or 9 then that might be the problem because boot and the 2.11 kernel only deal with 0 thru 7 Ok, that looks encouraging. Same as before - the "online" command is failing for reason(s) unknown as yet. I boot from the second controller all the time. If I weren't so lazy (and the BA23 so narrow and hard to work in ;)) I'd have swapped the UC08 and RQDX3 around a long time ago. As it is now I have to hit ^C during the POST and at the BOOT> prompt I enter "172154 DU 0" to boot from the second controller. Yes, if given a choice (and I don't know how this is done) all the controllers need to start from 0. If the "base unit" of a controller is 8 then I think the problem is that the controller is expecting values such as 8, 9, etc in the 'mscp_unit' part of the MSCP packet. That would explain the failure to "online unit 0" - the controller is expecting to be told "online unit 8". Yes. I think the 'restriction' in this case is 2.11 - it doesn't know how to deal with units other than 0 thru 7. Quite welcome! The boot monitor can load anything, but once 'boot' (or the kernel) is loaded they do not know how to deal with unit=8. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA63034 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:23:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mailserver.nktelco.net (mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA63030 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:23:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from chd(a)nktelco.net) Received: by mailserver.nktelco.net from localhost (router,SLMail V4.1); Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:10:04 -0500 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Received: from nktelco.net [63.238.116.228] by mailserver.nktelco.net [216.206.77.3] (SLmail 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id 8253E3E2FAEF11D4B0A800500424CC10 for &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; plus 1 more; Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: &lt;3A7E1BFB.98767635(a)nktelco.net&gt; Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:20:27 -0500 From: "Chuck Dickman" &lt;chd(a)nktelco.net&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven M. Schultz" &lt;sms(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; CC: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] Hardware config for 2.11BSD Installation on PDP-11/73 References: &lt;200102050235.f152Zs901247(a)moe.2bsd.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SLUIDL: 14D76D51-F97F11D4-B0A80050-0424CC10 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk "Steven M. Schultz" wrote: I think that was what I was trying to say, but you said it better. Thanks. Now if someone could help be double my memory. :-) Chuck Dickman chd(a)nktelco.net Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA65456 for pups-liszt; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:39:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mud.stack.nl (mud.stack.nl [131.155.141.98]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA65452 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:39:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from martijnb(a)stack.nl) Received: by mud.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 587) id 3AC547F18; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:37:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:37:53 +0100 From: Martijn van Buul &lt;pino(a)dohd.org&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: [pups] Y2K problem in ftpd? Message-ID: &lt;20010205133753.A23455(a)mud.stack.nl&gt; Reply-To: Martijn van Buul &lt;pino(a)dohd.org&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi. A friendly user pointed me to this obvious error: (part of a typescript, an FTP session to my PDP, running 2.11BSD) ncftp /usr/home/martijnb> ls -la foobar.c -rw-r--r-- 1 martijnb users 106 Jan 15 15:25 foobar.c ncftp /usr/home/martijnb> quote mdtm foobar.c 191010115144152 (mdtm should return the datestamp, in the form yyyymmddhhmm. ftpd thinks that it is 19101, and chops off the last digit of the filedate..) Things go wrong when you try to get an allready existing file: ncftp /usr/home/martijnb > get foobar.c The local file "foobar.c" already exists. Local: 133 bytes, dated Mon Feb 5 13:25:59 2001. Remote: 133 bytes, dated Thu Oct 13 04:44:15 1910. [O]verwrite? [A]ppend to? [S]kip? [N]ew Name? > Hmm. I'll see if I can figure out a quick patch :) -- Martijn van Buul - Pino(a)dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA65628 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:14:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from fgh.geac.com.au ([203.32.189.100]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA65624 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:14:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave(a)horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by fgh.geac.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15D9on12003 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:09:50 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: fgh.au.geac.com: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:09:49 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall &lt;dave(a)fgh.geac.com.au&gt; X-X-Sender: &lt;dave(a)fgh.au.geac.com&gt; To: PDP Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: [pups] Y2K problem in ftpd? In-Reply-To: &lt;20010205133753.A23455(a)mud.stack.nl&gt; Message-ID: &lt;Pine.GSO.4.32.0102052354420.5033-100000(a)fgh.au.geac.com&gt; X-No-Archive: Yes X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius Strip - See other side for instructions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Martijn van Buul wrote: Yep, that's a sure sign, which (cough, cough) I have personally seen on some (cough, cough) Y2K-compliant software supported by (cough, cough) A Large Software Company. No, I wasn't personally responsible for that code :-) Beware of the Y2K.1 bug :-( Synopsis: In order to overcome the Y2K bug, we implement a quick fix, because we are too lazy to do it properly: IF last two digits == '00' THEN make first two digits == '20'. // Because we're gonna retire this stuff after 2000. So what happens in 2001? Well, you get 1901, 19101, etc. Sigh... Isn't that fix what got us into trouble in the first place? Disclaimer: None of Geac software exhibited the Y2K.1 bug, since we tested it thoroughly, for years 2000, 2001, etc: I make no comment on Y2K. -- Dave Horsfall CL VK2KFU dave(a)geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: * 9978-7490 Geac Computers P/L (ERP Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA65695 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:29:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mud.stack.nl (mud.stack.nl [131.155.141.98]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA65691 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:29:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from martijnb(a)stack.nl) Received: by mud.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 587) id 8FD117F18; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:27:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:27:46 +0100 From: Martijn van Buul &lt;pino(a)dohd.org&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] Y2K problem in ftpd? Message-ID: &lt;20010205142746.A24731(a)mud.stack.nl&gt; Reply-To: Martijn van Buul &lt;pino(a)dohd.org&gt; References: &lt;20010205133753.A23455(a)mud.stack.nl&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: &lt;20010205133753.A23455(a)mud.stack.nl&gt;nl>; from pino(a)dohd.org on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:37:53PM +0100 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Martijn van Buul wrote: Done. A diff for /usr/src/libexec/ftpd/ftpcmd.y: 461,463c461,464 < "19%02d%02d%02d%02d%02d%02d", < t->tm_year, t->tm_mon+1, t->tm_mday, < t->tm_hour, t->tm_min, t->tm_sec); --- Miraculously, this *reduces* the size of the binary by a whopping two bytes ;) -- Martijn van Buul - Pino(a)dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA65865 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:04:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from fgh.geac.com.au ([203.32.189.100]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA65861 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:04:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dave(a)horsfall.org) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by fgh.geac.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f15DocZ18079 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;au>; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:50:38 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: fgh.au.geac.com: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:50:37 +1100 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall &lt;dave(a)horsfall.org&gt; X-X-Sender: &lt;dave(a)fgh.au.geac.com&gt; To: PDP Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: Re: [pups] Y2K problem in ftpd? In-Reply-To: &lt;20010205142746.A24731(a)mud.stack.nl&gt; Message-ID: &lt;Pine.GSO.4.32.0102060048000.5033-100000(a)fgh.au.geac.com&gt; X-No-Archive: Yes X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius Strip - See other side for instructions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Martijn van Buul wrote: Dead giveaway... Well, we can find a job for you in writing PDP-11 bootstraps :-) -- Dave Horsfall CL VK2KFU dave(a)geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: * 9978-7490 Geac Computers P/L (ERP Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA66602 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 03:01:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au)