19 Feb
1998
19 Feb
'98
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Thanks for tweaking the list!
Holidays were great in the DC area (USA). Weather was NICE.
Only problem is the weather has been so nice I have been working on
my cars instead of my 11s.
The 63 ford blew the heater coil/heat exchanger. mumble grumble.
The 67 buick is doing great - til yesterday on the way home from a
little run. Brakes are acting up. Rain prevents getting at that in
the driveway.
With the rain, I have been playing with NetBSD on the vax!!
waiting for Linux!!
thanks!
bob
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G'day All...
In my possesion is a Digital Professional 350 machine.
I'm undecided as to try to find a ethernet card for it and use it in my own local
network (it needs a thicknet ethernet card - don't know where to find one for it,
and I'll also need a thicknet to thinnet converter).
Alternatively, I think maybe somebody else may be able to put it to better use (in
which case, I'll happily give it to you if you pick it up - I don't know about
the
terminal and printer for it though). (FYI I'm located in Sydney).
I've been planning to get unix 6 for it for ages, but hasn't eventuated yet.
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Michael,
You can get Venix (~V7/System III) for the Pro on the Internet at
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/professional/venix/
The README file there has instructions on how to get it all booted.
You need a PC that can write 1.2MB, 5.25in floppies. There isn't any
networking support.
Hardware wise, you need the Pro equivalent of the PDP-11 DEQNA
and a transceiver. ftp.update.uu.se also has all the DEC P/OS
software, which can do DECNET.
Dave
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G'day All...
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which case, I'll happily give it to you if you pick it up - I don't know about
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G'day All...
In my possesion is a Digital Professional 350 machine.
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and I'll also need a thicknet to thinnet converter).
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I've been planning to get unix 6 for it for ages, but hasn't eventuated yet.
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Hi gang!
Would it be possible to generate RL02's from an ULTRIX uVAX with dd?
Like, we have bootable systems for the emulator on file.
Now suppose I recompile one of my ULTRIXen to recognize RL02 and
then transfer that emulator UNIX filesystem file to it.
Using dd I should be able to put the system on an RL02.
Would that RL02 be bootable in a PDP11 system or do I need to
put on some sort of boot information on a secret sector of the disk
to make it bootable?
IF it is bootable, is it legal to do it?
If it is legal, is it legal to distribute that RL02 to a third party?
IF it is possible AND legal I might be able to manufacture some RL02 UNIXen
for you out there who got a PDP11 system but lack something to run on it.
Provided you pay the expense for shipping, of course. =)
I got a glassfibre box that can take two RL02 packs and this could perhaps
be used to ship things in...
Comments anyone?
/Lars Persson, HARLOSA PD Computer Center
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In article by Beastly Wolf:
Hi gang!
Would it be possible to generate RL02's from an ULTRIX uVAX with dd?
Like, we have bootable systems for the emulator on file.
Now suppose I recompile one of my ULTRIXen to recognize RL02 and
then transfer that emulator UNIX filesystem file to it.
Using dd I should be able to put the system on an RL02.
Would that RL02 be bootable in a PDP11 system or do I need to
put on some sort of boot information on a secret sector of the disk
to make it bootable?
I'm not a hardware guy, but I can't see any difficulties in doing this.
The RL02 disk images have everything (incl. boot blocks) to get UNIX going.
IF it is bootable, is it legal to do it?
If it is legal, is it legal to distribute that RL02 to a third party?
ONLY if the disk contains binaries ONLY. See the disk images that
Bob Supnik distributes with his emulator, and the SCO copyright notice at:
http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/Licenses/v7_bin_license.txt
IF it is possible AND legal I might be able to
manufacture some RL02 UNIXen
for you out there who got a PDP11 system but lack something to run on it.
Provided you pay the expense for shipping, of course. =)
Hopefully lots of people will take you up on this, Lars!!
Thanks,
Warren
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All,
I've just received the next draft of the proposed PDP-11 UNIX Source
License from SCO. To me it looks good, and I'd be happy to sign it. I have
passed a copy over to Steven Schultz: his 2.11BSD work is a derivative which
could be affected by the license clauses.
I'll try to get permission to release the draft to this mailing list from SCO.
I've asked them how long it will take before licenses go on sale, once we've
agreed with the draft license terms.
More news as soon as I have it....
Warren
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Hi again gang!
It looks as if we can turn the binaries in PUPS's archive into hardware
with dd, as my theory went.
So I went forth and started to tinker a bit with my trusty old ULTRIX rig.
I run into some problems though and before starting to fiddle with them
myself, I thought I should ask out there if this is a known caveat.
Here goes:
My uVAX has an RQDX-3 controller, a controller for EAGLE disks, TQK50,
DQNA and some sort of line card (A DHV-11 I think).
I added an RLV-controller for those RL02 drives into the system and
snipped some rows from the GENERIC file to make a good system.
What struck me as if upon my head was that the CSR for the DQNA and the
RL02 controller was the same.
Vector is set by some intricate mechanism automagically though.
Oh well, I maked the kernel and it booted fine. If found the hl device
BUT! It also said (twice!) that the hl device did not interrupt.
I do not have a drive connected though.
I tried both with and without external terminator on the drive connector.
No go. Same message.
I am reluctant to put cards on non standard CSRs since the GENERIC kernel
will not operate as intended and boy are those GENERIC kernels good to have!
So here is the problem:
What the heck is happening? Do I need to have the RL02 connected to get the
darn thing to interrupt or do I have a CSR / Interrupt conflict along the
line?
Or could the controller be bad? (Not to worry! I got more controllers
laying about! =) ).
If nobody got answers to this my next experiment will be to take out the
DQNA and see if that helps. I am reluctant to fiddle to much with the
cards since the machine is installed in a non standard 19" CRAMMED FULL
kinda rack and is hard to service.
/Lars
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