Re: DRAFT of license for ancient UNIX sources

<I expect that the cost will initially cover NO media. From what Dion <is saying, SCO doesn't even have copies of these systems! I will suggest I find this distressing as putting up unix an my 11/73 is dependent on availability of all the correct parts being available(drivers et al). While I believe thre are versions that can be put on the machine I do not know enough to speculate how or what device requirements there would be. What comes to mind, can it be configured to exploit the hardware? Or maybe the question should be is there a copy complete enough that has all of the installion templates? <to them that, if we can put together a CD-ROM image, perhaps they can <distribute the image with every license. That would make sense, readable under dos, linux? <If not, the license allows us to exchange copies of the systems, provide <we get written authorisation from SCO. The licensing people there are <going to get awfully sick of me asking for written authorisation, otherwi Definately should be written notification for manageability at their end. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA08330 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:57:13 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08325 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:57:09 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25252 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:58:42 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199802252158.IAA25252(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: System III (fwd) To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:58:42 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from Alan Bain ----- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:07:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Bain &lt;afrb2(a)hermes.cam.ac.uk&gt; X-Sender: afrb2(a)red.csi.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: Alan Bain &lt;afrb2(a)hermes.cam.ac.uk&gt; To: wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: System III Message-ID: &lt;Pine.SOL.3.95q.980225140211.13155I-100000(a)red.csi.cam.ac.uk&gt; I remember seeing this on the mailing list a while ago and wondered what became of the Sys III (no that it's of any use to me with an 11/34!). Hope you track down a copy.... I'm still looking for the pre AT&T V5 versions myself ... someone seems to have had a very early version here in Cambridge UK but I can find out what became of it. There may have even been a PDP-7 running unix at one point here. The CL are hopelessly disorganised about such stuff -- it goes in the `old junk' category and unfortunately they love to wipe tapes just in case they contain proprietary software. However I now have access to a half inch drive on a sun (certainly 1600 & 6250 BPI, possibly more useful lower BPI also). If anyone in the UK has such tapes I'm most willing to try and read them. Alan Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08405 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:10:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08400 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:10:43 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25371 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:12:16 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199802252212.JAA25371(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: DRAFT of license for ancient UNIX sources To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:12:16 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: &lt;34F446F9.E9AD729F(a)pa.dec.com&gt; from Paul McJones at "Feb 25, 98 08:29:45 am" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Paul McJones: No, what the legal guys have done is take the original v7 license and alter it enough to keep us happy. This is why there are such hangovers as designated CPUs. They probably did this to: + minimise the work they had to do, and + prevent a product being licensed under widely different systems If they created a completely new license, there may be a legal slant: e.g hey I own an original Western Electric v7 license, and now SCO's selling licenses which allow export of code to China (for example). That's unfair, because my license prevents that. Sue, sue!! [Maybe I'm just being paranoid here]. Anyway, the CPU restriction is BOGUS. SCO already have a binary license for v5, v6 and v7 which allows you to run these systems on an UNLIMITED number of CPUs. I can't see how they are going to enforce the CPU restriction in the new license. I think Dion suggested that auditing was probably not going to happen. Mind you, don't hold him to that! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08480 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:35:40 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08475 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:35:37 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25560 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:37:10 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199802252237.JAA25560(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: CD-ROM from SCO unlikely To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:37:10 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Dion in SCO says: So it looks like we're going to be cutting our own media. At least the SCO license allows us to charge for copying and distribution :-) Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08656 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:24:44 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08651 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:24:38 +1100 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11743; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:54:34 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA01636; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:54:34 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: &lt;19980226095434.51853(a)freebie.lemis.com&gt; Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:54:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey &lt;grog(a)lemis.com&gt; To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au Cc: PDP UNIX Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: CD-ROM from SCO unlikely References: &lt;199802252237.JAA25560(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: &lt;199802252237.JAA25560(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 09:37:10AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 February 1998 at 9:37:10 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: Don't say I didn't tell you. I wonder if it's worth doing CD-ROMs for a few hundred people. Initially you might sell 200, but then the rest would come over a period of time, during which there would be updates. In addition, the CD-ROM format isn't ideal for everybody: many would like it on tape. I'd suggest that somebody cut WORMs for those who want it on CD-ROM, and tapes for those who want it on tape. I can offer a variety of tape formats, including (soon, hopefully) whatever a TS05 can write (what's that? 1600bpi?), but not WORMs. Greg Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08684 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:33:55 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08679 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:33:51 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25775 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:35:25 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;199802252335.KAA25775(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: CD-ROM from SCO unlikely To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:35:25 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: &lt;19980226095434.51853(a)freebie.lemis.com&gt; from Greg Lehey at "Feb 26, 98 09:54:34 am" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Oh, I was expecting this. I'd like to see: + a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs + a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut tapes + a number of volunteers who are prepared to build kernels in several countries (Australia, U.K, USA, Europe). Each can keep a reserve of distribution media as they wish. I'm hoping the CD-ROM image won't change more than once a year. As you saw, Dion would send us details of new license owners, probably via PGP-signed email. I'd like to pass the info on PGP-signed, so I'd need the volunteers to have PGP too. If we have a FAQ, we can list the people to ask for tapes, CD-ROMs etc. You are allowed to charge for copying and distribution. We're going to have to work on this in the next few months. Thanks for all your suggestions & volunteering! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09286 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:00:35 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09236 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:00:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11810; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:30:15 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA01823; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:30:14 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: &lt;19980226103014.06033(a)freebie.lemis.com&gt; Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:30:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey &lt;grog(a)lemis.com&gt; To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au, PDP Unix Preservation &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Subject: Re: CD-ROM from SCO unlikely References: &lt;19980226095434.51853(a)freebie.lemis.com&gt; &lt;199802252335.KAA25775(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=wLpm8qysLVxtbajz X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: &lt;199802252335.KAA25775(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au&gt;au>; from Warren Toomey on Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 10:35:25AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk --wLpm8qysLVxtbajz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, 26 February 1998 at 10:35:25 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: >> > Oh, I was expecting this. > >> I wonder if it's worth doing CD-ROMs for a few hundred people. >> Initially you might sell 200, but then the rest would come over a >> period of time, during which there would be updates. In addition, the >> CD-ROM format isn't ideal for everybody: many would like it on tape. >> I'd suggest that somebody cut WORMs for those who want it on CD-ROM, >> and tapes for those who want it on tape. I can offer a variety of >> tape formats, including (soon, hopefully) whatever a TS05 can write >> (what's that? 1600bpi?), but not WORMs. > > I'd like to see: > >> a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs >> a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut tapes I can volunteer for this. The formats are: QIC-150, DDS, Exabyte 8500 (8200 if people can tell me how to do it on an 8500), and open reel 1600 bpi. Europe and UK separately, eh? Looking at the number of patches to 2.11BSD alone, I'd say that that's a lost hope. There have been three in the past two months alone. That's one of the reasons I don't think CD-ROM is the way to go. WORM wouldn't have this deficiency if they were cut on demand. One thing in that connection: please make sure that any CD-ROM uses RockRidge format (UNIX long file names). It would be a real pain to be limited to DOS-style naming. Not a problem. Seems reasonable. Greg -- Greg Lehey LEMIS grog(a)lemis.com PO Box 460 Tel: +61-8-8388-8286 Echunga SA 5153 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Australia -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3ia mQCNAzTb3SMAAAEEAMS8rCMuqbX0llo8lPuE+m1/bHTNN4q3o2OFi1t9WXlYd063 XslucmHTYRk+f0OznRpcAuyr1pvYqfnl0Gi5uys/CopKiwaouXZYjSW6PzVnTQza QJKuQwlpSUJhrcj9qXn5CW6FCLRXRcZdSezTZmDPV2jKXadD30ciy96pXaeVAAUR tA5ncm9nQGxlbWlzLmNvbYkAlQMFEDTb3SRHIsveqV2nlQEBnbQD+wf6JL7GgPbM Ql+TK9ZpYUBo+brvkg4GdgWVHbiHEue8dxm0vgEB+K4GpCJEYAx+x6L7ZM4iF4Nv axzS1UrVru9IYforM51jODk4mxZAySTspIbEzmBTY5/7N2i3b4kkiqeCdVKTy2c2 fwkb1+F6EZXY8xaxIFtu3NGRxR0Pd2Am =M7yb -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --wLpm8qysLVxtbajz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature --wLpm8qysLVxtbajz-- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09900 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:37:42 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f