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Two questions/observations.
The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that
is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11
was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
software some of which actually loads.
Which brings me to my next and much more on topic question.
How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a real device??
Is it just a dd of the raw device or is there some software needed
to make the move?? And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad
to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive. (Assuming
I can use the Ultrix-32 system that shares these disks to make the
image.)
All the best.
bill
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Which emulator might I be able to test this out on?? Or do I need to
find something other than an RA81 to dump??
bill
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Yep, that works too!
Which emulator might I be able to test this out on?? Or do I need to
find something other than an RA81 to dump??
bill
What PDP-11 model do you have? Then I can tell you what emulators will
be suitable.
Thanks,
Warren
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Subject: Re: [pups] Making disk images and Ultrix-32
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On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 01:47:24PM -0500, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Two questions/observations.
The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that
is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11
was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
software some of which actually loads.
Is Ultrix-32 covered by the standard license from SCO? And did DEQ
release it to the world under the same conditions as Ultrix-11?
I think I have recent Ultrix-32 on CDROM here somewhere.
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In article by Bill Gunshannon:
Two questions/observations.
The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that
is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11
was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
software some of which actually loads.
Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it),
and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So
while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I
cannot make them available.
Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release?
How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a
real device??
Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.
And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad
to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive.
bill
Yes please!
Warren
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2001, Warren Toomey wrote:
In article by Bill Gunshannon:
OK, I didn't know. I had thought that Ultrix-32 was also derived from
32V, but maybe not. I'll have to hold onto my tapes a little longer.
Two questions/observations.
The first is only tangentially on topic, but loosely related to
my recent attempts to revive Ultrix-11. Is there anywhere that
is, or is interested in, archiving versions of Ultrix-32 for the
VAX?? I would hate to see these become as scarce as Ultrix-11
was. We almost lost that one. I have numerous TK50's of Ultrix-32
software some of which actually loads.
Ultrix-32 isn't covered by the SCO license (well, they didn't create it),
and we haven't obtained a release from DEC/Compaq, unlike Ultrix-11. So
while hidden away in the Archive are various versions of Ultrix-32, I
cannot make them available.
Does anybody have contacts inside Compaq so we could persue a release?
Hmmmm. I wonder if anyone on comp.os.vms might know??
> How does one go about creating a .dsk image from a
real device??
>
> Use dd in single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.
To a tape?? What about just dumping it to a file on another disk??
And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
emulators that would be able to use this?? If so, I would be glad
to clean it up and send it to Warren for the archive.
bill
Yes please! From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Sat
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In article by Bill Gunshannon:
Use dd in
single-user mode and dump it to a tape :-) That's all.
To a tape?? What about
just dumping it to a file on another disk?? And on a further note, if I made a .dsk of the
RA81 I currently have Ultrix-11 running from, are there any of the
emulators that would be able to use this??
Yes please! From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> Sat Feb
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
On 16 Feb, robin.birch(a)postoffice.co.uk wrote:
It's faster. There is FP11 microcode in the J11, but it's really slow from
what I gathered. The separate FP11 could be regarded more as an
accelerator.
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FP11 floating point processor (I think)
I
thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just
faster? From Robin Birch <robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk> Sun Feb
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In message <200102161720.SAA12899(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de>de>, jkunz@unixag-
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On 16 Feb, robin.birch(a)postoffice.co.uk wrote:
J11 does it in microcode. When the FP11 is plugged in then it does it
faster.
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FP11 floating point processor (I think)
I
thought the FPU is part of the J11 chip? Or is this extra chip just
faster?