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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The kernel you got probably doesn't have much else. I could build anothe <kernel for you. Once you get the source license, you'll be able to do it <youself! I believe it's the supnick V7 binary. that should be a known version to those that have run the emulator (I haven't). < date [ yymmddhhmm [ .ss ] ] Date wants to see MM/DD HH/MM and that is it. Anything else causes error and it asks again. <What serial devices do you have? I think V7 expected hardwired things <like KL-11s. 11/73 console DL. I'll look to see of I can lock the console settings. I know on the 11/23 that can be done. Keep in mind I run Q-bus. < even allow even parity < -even disallow even parity < odd allow odd parity < -odd disallow odd parity < 50 75 110 134 150 200 300 600 1200 1800 2400 4800 9600 No selection of number of data bits?? < http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/manpages.html I've been relying on the linux ones and the Ultrix manuals I have. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19844 for pups-liszt; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:18:08 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

Re: V7 startup

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<You might also want to do < <STTY -LCASE < <when you get in to be able to use mixed-case. Your kidding, right? %-| I would have assumed mixed unless otehrwise specified. In either case I had it up and running though I think I didn't have timesharing going. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18133 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:00:20 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

Re: V7 startup

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Well v7 binary runs seemingly well on my 11/73 with the kitchen sink (the extra and unusable accouterments). It doesn't use much though! The Rl02 disk does have about 5mb space. One thing I'd like to do is have some additional storage other than the one RL02 drive I have. I figure that could easily be a RX02 but it's not obvious how to add that (to V7unix that is). The RQDX3/RD52 would be nice but I'll settle for a RX01/2. The other is the date is 1988... month and day are setable but year? Is there any way to get it to stay in 8/n/1 (my system(s) default) rather than 7/e/1. The last one bugged me some... there is no shutdown! To kill the system all I could do was make sure there weren't any excess processes running do a sync and hit restart. I assume this is ok as I use the same method for venix on the pro350, so far I haven't mashed that system. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17672 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:10 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Tue Mar 17 13:15:05 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17667 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:06 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00560 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:06 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803170315.OAA00560(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: V7 startup To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:15:05 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199803170305.AA05406(a)world.std.com> from Allison J Parent at "Mar 16, 98 10:05:52 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Allison J Parent: > One thing I'd like to do is have some additional storage other than the > one RL02 drive I have. I figure that could easily be a RX02 but it's not > obvious how to add that (to V7unix that is). The RQDX3/RD52 would be > nice but I'll settle for a RX01/2. The kernel you got probably doesn't have much else. I could build another kernel for you. Once you get the source license, you'll be able to do it youself! > The other is the date is 1988... month and day are setable but year? # man date DATE(1) DATE(1) NAME date - print and set the date SYNOPSIS date [ yymmddhhmm [ .ss ] ] DESCRIPTION If no argument is given, the current date and time are printed. If an argument is given, the current date is set. yy is the last two digits of the year; the first mm is the month number; dd is the day number in the month; hh is the hour number (24 hour system); the second mm is the minute number; .ss is optional and is the seconds. > Is there any way to get it to stay in 8/n/1 (my system(s) default) rather > than 7/e/1. What serial devices do you have? I think V7 expected hardwired things like KL-11s. Anyway, here's some of the stty(1) manual. SYNOPSIS stty [ option ... ] DESCRIPTION Stty sets certain I/O options on the current output termi- nal. With no argument, it reports the current settings of the options. The option strings are selected from the following set: even allow even parity -even disallow even parity odd allow odd parity -odd disallow odd parity 50 75 110 134 150 200 300 600 1200 1800 2400 4800 9600 exta extb Set terminal baud rate to the number given, if possible. (These are the speeds supported by the DH-11 interface). > The last one bugged me some... there is no shutdown! To kill the system > all I could do was make sure there weren't any excess processes running > do a sync and hit restart. I assume this is ok as I use the same method > for venix on the pro350, so far I haven't mashed that system. I think that's all you could do. Warren P.S Online mans at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/manpages.html Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18069 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:27:38 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

Re: V7 startup

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Thanks Warren, <Have a look at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html I'll go back and reread it. >>>>>< @unix <<<<<<< THAT'S what I was trying to remember! Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17613 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:06:14 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

V7 startup

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Thanks to a member I now have V7 (supnik) Binary on RL02 to try out. Several questions: What hardware does it expect (besides RL02)? This is so I can configure the 11/73 or 11/23 as it expects. When I boot it on the 11/73 (1mb ram, RLV21, RX02, RQDX3(rd52/RX33), DLV11j currently) using RT-11 BOOT/FOREIGN I do get a "@" and it's not ODT. What commands do I issues to get going from there? Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15720 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:49:14 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Tue Mar 17 08:49:32 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15715 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:49:10 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02937 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:49:32 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803162249.JAA02937(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: V7 startup To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:49:32 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199803162245.AA08767(a)world.std.com> from Allison J Parent at "Mar 16, 98 05:45:19 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Allison J Parent: > > Thanks to a member I now have V7 (supnik) Binary on RL02 to try out. > > Several questions: > > What hardware does it expect (besides RL02)? This is so I can configure > the 11/73 or 11/23 as it expects. Have a look at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html > When I boot it on the 11/73 (1mb ram, RLV21, RX02, RQDX3(rd52/RX33), > DLV11j currently) using RT-11 BOOT/FOREIGN I do get a "@" and it's > not ODT. What commands do I issues to get going from there? Instructions are in Bob Supnik's emulator readme: 2.1.3 UNIX V7 UNIX V7 is contained on a single RL02 disk image. To boot UNIX: sim> set cpu 18b sim> set rl0 RL02 sim> att rl0 unix_v7_rl.dsk sim> boot rl0 @unix login: root password: pdp # ls -l Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17274 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:44:31 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

Where do you sign the SCO License agreement

by Greg Lehey

Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, or maybe I don't understand US customs that well, but I can't work out where to sign the SCO license agreement. Can anybody tell me? Greg Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11521 for pups-liszt; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:01:49 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon Mar 16 15:02:01 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11516 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:01:44 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02064 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:02:01 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803160502.QAA02064(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Where do you sign the SCO License agreement To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:02:01 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19980316115531.52411(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Mar 16, 98 11:55:31 am" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Greg Lehey: > Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, or maybe I don't understand US > customs that well, but I can't work out where to sign the SCO license > agreement. Can anybody tell me? Should I put this in the getlicense web page? Warren F. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this Agreement shall be ______________________. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have caused this Agreement to be executed by their duly authorized representatives. LICENSEE: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. __________________________________ <--- Greg Lehey Mr Name Title __________________________________ <--- Your address Address __________________________________ Address __________________________________ Address __________________________________ By <---- Ignore, hangover from old AT&T licences where __________________________________ organisational license Print or Type Name and title (named above) is authorised by an individual (here) __________________________________ Phone and FAX, please <--- Phone, fax, email address __________________________________ Email address - required Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12553 for pups-liszt; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:40:49 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Mon Mar 16 15:40:15 1998 Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12548 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:40:37 +1100 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07244; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:10:17 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA25226; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:10:17 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980316161015.07896(a)freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:10:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au, PDP Unix Preservation <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Where do you sign the SCO License agreement References: <19980316115531.52411(a)freebie.lemis.com> <199803160502.QAA02064(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803160502.QAA02064(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>; from Warren Toomey on Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 04:02:01PM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 16 March 1998 at 16:02:01 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Greg Lehey: >> Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, or maybe I don't understand US >> customs that well, but I can't work out where to sign the SCO license >> agreement. Can anybody tell me? > > Should I put this in the getlicense web page? A good idea, but... I hate to appear obtuse, but this doesn't tell me either. Are you saying I should sign where it says "By"? Greg > F. The AUTHORIZED COUNTRY for this Agreement shall be ______________________. > > IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have caused this Agreement to be > executed by their duly authorized representatives. > > LICENSEE: THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. > > __________________________________ <--- Greg Lehey Mr > Name Title > > __________________________________ <--- Your address > Address > > __________________________________ > Address > > __________________________________ > Address > > __________________________________ > By <---- Ignore, hangover from old > AT&T licences where > __________________________________ organisational license > Print or Type Name and title (named above) is authorised > by an individual (here) > __________________________________ > Phone and FAX, please <--- Phone, fax, email address > > __________________________________ > Email address - required Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12594 for pups-liszt; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:44:01 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon Mar 16 15:44:09 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12586 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:43:52 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02167 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:44:09 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803160544.QAA02167(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Where do you sign the SCO License agreement To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:44:09 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <19980316161015.07896(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Mar 16, 98 04:10:15 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Greg Lehey: > On Mon, 16 March 1998 at 16:02:01 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > In article by Greg Lehey: > >> Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, or maybe I don't understand US > >> customs that well, but I can't work out where to sign the SCO license > >> agreement. Can anybody tell me? > > > > Should I put this in the getlicense web page? > > A good idea, but... > > I hate to appear obtuse, but this doesn't tell me either. Are you > saying I should sign where it says "By"? No, just fill in the top section. Leave the `by' section alone, as you ARE your own representative. The only time you'd fill out the bottom section is if you were buying a license for a company, e.g Sproggs Inc. 5 Looney road, SPOTSWOLD. NSW. 2001 by Warren Toomey etc etc etc. Hope this helps. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12928 for pups-liszt; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:58:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Mon Mar 16 17:00:16 1998 Received: from asia.Uznet.NET (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12923 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:58:30 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy@localhost) by asia.Uznet.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00643 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:00:16 +0500 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:00:16 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Message-Id: <199803160700.MAA00643(a)asia.Uznet.NET> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: RQDX3 problems Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hi pdp people! Few days ago I wrote about my hardware problems and asked for hardware guru. Now I've solved some of them - I checked my backplane and it was 18-bits I wired insufficient A19-A21 signals and my CPU acessed memory and now it runs ok. But! I still do not know what happens to my RQDX3! I know that this question has little relation to UNIX and apologize for that. I hardly suspect circuitry fault but may be some other reasons. It looks like this: -My RQDX3 is now connected to simple 5-inch floppy drive when I power up the machine I see no activity on ANY pin of RQDX3 to RQDX SIG. DIST. 50-pin connector! I mean there is no triggering signals hence my floppy also does nothing. When I try to execute bootstrap or simply debug RQDX3 registers from console it looks like this: RESET CLR @#1772150 <checking 1772152 - it holds 5500 - kinda normal> MOV #100000,@#1772152 ; controller passes INIT step 1 ; no ints enabled, no vector specified, ; UDA OWN bit set. Rings are zero length <checking 1772152 - it holds 10000 - step one passed> MOV #xxxxxx,@#1772152 ; controller passes INIT step 2 ; specifying low address bits <checking 1772152 - it holds 20000 or something alike - no error bit is set - I'm sure- step2 passed> MOV #0,@#1772152 ; controller passes INIT step 3 - specifying ; high address bits> <here we can wait for eternity!!!!!!!! Step 3 will never complete> Does anybody know what does it mean? I also have TMSCP TQK70 controller but no tape drive for it. When I try to run it there is absolutely similar situation - I think this happens each time [T]MSCP controller tries to powerup without any drives connected to it. So I'm looking for help from somebody who can give a hint about which signal should i check to assertain in absence of hardware fault. I have no drawings for RQDX3 neither user's guide. It can even be caused by wrong setting of switches/jumpers - I dont know. Stacy. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14297 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:41:35 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Tue Mar 17 01:41:14 1998 Received: from mgate.nwnexus.com (beavis.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14292 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 02:41:29 +1100 (EST) Received: from halcyon.com (tide22.microsoft.com [131.107.3.32]) by mgate.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17334; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:41:17 -0800 Message-ID: <350D481A.DAA7B5A4(a)halcyon.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:41:14 -0800 From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Reply-To: djenner(a)halcyon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au CC: PDP Unix Preservation <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Where do you sign the SCO License agreement References: <199803160544.QAA02167(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Greg, Since none of the responses seem to really answer your question, here's what I did: I signed my name on the very first line where it says "Name". I then printed my name on the line where it says "Print or Type Name". If this is incorrect, I guess I'll get it back! Dave Warren Toomey wrote: > > In article by Greg Lehey: > > On Mon, 16 March 1998 at 16:02:01 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote: > > > In article by Greg Lehey: > > >> Maybe I'm just being overly pedantic, or maybe I don't understand US > > >> customs that well, but I can't work out where to sign the SCO license > > >> agreement. Can anybody tell me? > > > > > > Should I put this in the getlicense web page? > > > > A good idea, but... > > > > I hate to appear obtuse, but this doesn't tell me either. Are you > > saying I should sign where it says "By"? > > No, just fill in the top section. Leave the `by' section alone, as you > ARE your own representative. > > The only time you'd fill out the bottom section is if you were buying > a license for a company, e.g > > Sproggs Inc. > 5 Looney road, > SPOTSWOLD. NSW. 2001 > > by > > Warren Toomey > etc etc etc. > > Hope this helps. > > Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15691 for pups-liszt; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:45:45 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

27 years, 5 months

Does anybody have an assembler in C?

by Greg Lehey

I'm trying to set up a cross-development environment for 2.11BSD (running under 4.4BSD), and I've run into trouble because the assembler's written in, well, assembler. It would be Real Convenient if I could find an assembler written in C. Does anybody know of one? Greg Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA17387 for pups-liszt; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:40:44 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Ken Wellsch <kcwellsc(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Thu Mar 12 01:29:23 1998 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.42]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA17375 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:39:46 +1100 (EST) Received: (from kcwellsc@localhost) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26566; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:29:27 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Wellsch <kcwellsc(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Message-Id: <199803111529.KAA26566(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Does anybody have an assembler in C? To: grog(a)lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:29:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <19980311163735.37825(a)freebie.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Mar 11, 98 04:37:35 pm Organization: University of Waterloo, Math Faculty Computing Facility X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Tim Shoppa I believe is familiar with the "chip" or "sunchip" tar bundle that contained a PDP-11 C compiler, assembler and loader. I could swear the assember was in C - I am sure because I recall fighting with all the code to port it a long time ago to another UNIX box. Now I was the jerk that kept saying "gee that C compiler sure looks a lot like the V6/V7 C compiler" (yeah I know they are different - I never bothered to go into the details of precisely which one it matched more closely). If Tim does not still have the contents I know I've got it archived away and can fetch that part for you. -- Ken | From owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Wed Mar 11 01:16:07 1998 | | I'm trying to set up a cross-development environment for 2.11BSD | (running under 4.4BSD), and I've run into trouble because the | assembler's written in, well, assembler. It would be Real Convenient | if I could find an assembler written in C. Does anybody know of one? | | Greg Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17547 for pups-liszt; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:36:44 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Thu Mar 12 02:36:33 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA17541 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:36:37 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA08101; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:36:33 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803111636.AA08101(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: Does anybody have an assembler in C? To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:36:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <199803111529.KAA26566(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> from "Ken Wellsch" at Mar 11, 98 10:29:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > Tim Shoppa I believe is familiar with the "chip" or "sunchip" tar bundle > that contained a PDP-11 C compiler, assembler and loader. Vaguely. I'll try to track down the exact reference - I'm not sure whether your referring to the DECUS C package or not. > code to port it a long time ago to another UNIX box. Now I was the jerk > that kept saying "gee that C compiler sure looks a lot like the V6/V7 > C compiler" (yeah I know they are different - I never bothered to go into > the details of precisely which one it matched more closely). I seem to recall that the DECUS C compiler is written in MACRO-11 assembly - and pretty much a straight translation of the V6/V7 C compiler - but with different run time libraries for RSX and RT-11. Does this ring a bell? Or am I completely on the wrong track? Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18056 for pups-liszt; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:21:10 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Thu Mar 12 04:21:00 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA18051 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:21:04 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA19967; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:21:01 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803111821.AA19967(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: Does anybody have an assembler in C? To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <9803111636.AA08101(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 11, 98 08:36:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > > Tim Shoppa I believe is familiar with the "chip" or "sunchip" tar bundle > > that contained a PDP-11 C compiler, assembler and loader. > > Vaguely. I'll try to track down the exact reference - I'm not > sure whether your referring to the DECUS C package or not. Taking a quick look at the DECUS C package, I see that isn't the answer. There's an "as"-style assembler there written in MACRO-11, though :-). I think you were referring to the XINU-11 package available by anonymous ftp from sunsite: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/xinu in particular, if you look in ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/xinu/ unpacked/src/cmd/as11 you'll find the "as11" sources in C, specifically written for BSD4.3 on a VAX. I have to admit that I'm not fully aware of the copyrights regarding the XINU package. If research shows that this is freely distributable, is this something we'd want to distribute through the PUPS archive, Warren? Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18071 for pups-liszt; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:23:08 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Ken Wellsch <kcwellsc(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Thu Mar 12 04:22:47 1998 Received: from math.uwaterloo.ca (kcwellsc(a)math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.42]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA18066 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:23:02 +1100 (EST) Received: (from kcwellsc@localhost) by math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA31588; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Wellsch <kcwellsc(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Message-Id: <199803111822.NAA31588(a)math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Does anybody have an assembler in C? To: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <9803111636.AA08101(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 11, 98 08:36:33 am Organization: University of Waterloo, Math Faculty Computing Facility X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Tim, No, the DECUS C compiler is a very different kettle of fish. Sorry to be so vague - I can only go by memory now as all my archived info is on CD-ROM's at home. Back in the mid to late 80's a few folks made available a bundle put together by the folks at Purdue I think - I believe it was related to Dr. Comer (sp?) and the Xinu stuff - but this bundle was intended to provide a compiler environment on SunOS systems of the mid 80's to teach lower level system stuff - I've forgotten if it related to simulating an 11 or was instead just for a cross-compiler environment to build Xinu mini-kernels on faster platforms to then download to the LSI 11 testbed. One place I picked it up (via FTP) called it "sunchip.tar.Z" or similar, while another I think just called it "chip.tar.Z." I mentioned you only because I do remember grabbing it from your sunsite archive while you were still at Caltech and later sending e-mail WRT the licensing thing. -- Ken | From owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Wed Mar 11 11:45:28 1998 | | > Tim Shoppa I believe is familiar with the "chip" or "sunchip" tar bundle | > that contained a PDP-11 C compiler, assembler and loader. | | Vaguely. I'll try to track down the exact reference - I'm not | sure whether your referring to the DECUS C package or not. | | > code to port it a long time ago to another UNIX box. Now I was the jerk | > that kept saying "gee that C compiler sure looks a lot like the V6/V7 | > C compiler" (yeah I know they are different - I never bothered to go into | > the details of precisely which one it matched more closely). | | I seem to recall that the DECUS C compiler is written in MACRO-11 assembly - | and pretty much a straight translation of the V6/V7 C compiler - but | with different run time libraries for RSX and RT-11. Does | this ring a bell? Or am I completely on the wrong track? | | Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18738 for pups-liszt; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:24:26 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU> Thu Mar 12 06:25:03 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA18731 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:24:19 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA18417; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:24:06 -0800 Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA18211; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:23:49 -0800 Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16016 for shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:25:03 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU> Message-Id: <199803112025.HAA16016(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: Does anybody have an assembler in C? To: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:25:03 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9803111821.AA19967(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from Tim Shoppa at "Mar 11, 98 10:21:00 am" Reply-To: wkt(a)CS.ADFA.OZ.AU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Tim Shoppa: > I have to admit that I'm not fully aware of the copyrights regarding > the XINU package. If research shows that this is freely distributable, > is this something we'd want to distribute through the PUPS archive, > Warren? > > Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Xinu is freely distributable, as long as it's not sold as a competing product to Doug Comer's book. It's in the archive. Another solution for a assembler in C is some stuff I've got from a Russian, who `ported' either cc or pcc to a Sparc, as a cross-compiler. Greg, have a look in .miscfiles. If someone can make some order out of this, I'll put it in the archive. To the PUPS readers, there is a whole lot of stuff I've got but I haven't added into the PUPS ARchive as yet: + System V (SCO license doesn't include it) + copyright stuff I haven't cleared it's release yet + unsorted jumble Someone has to categorise this I could put the unsorted jumble into the PUPS Archive. Yes or no? P.S Woke up to a barrage of email today. Wading thru it.... Warren

27 years, 5 months

Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 8, 11:35, Tim Shoppa wrote: > A non-legal question: the system identifies itself as "v6" when it > boots, but there is a "v7.h" header file in the /sys directory. > Is this maybe really a V7 system? Or maybe from an era when the > trnasition from V6 to V7 was being made? Datestamps on the files > are from 1982. That would cerainly put it well into the v7 era 9by thre years). But there were several differences, as I'm sure Tim knows, and some people didn't change. I'd guess this one has back-ported some v7 stuff onto what was otherwise a 'legacy' system. I think the RL02 drivers were written in Boston for v7 (or am I thinking of the RX02 driver?). Maybe v7.h has something to do with allowing this driver to be used? > Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's > running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems > to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short > of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? I don't know, but if anyone else does, please tell! My 11/23 system has a kernel panic if I try to run it on an 11/73 (by swapping out the CPU board). > # LS GAMES > ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP > BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS Interesting... ADVENT is missing from my v7. Any chance of a copy? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09225 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:15 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Tue Mar 10 03:37:04 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09220 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:08 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA13243; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803091737.AA13243(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <9803091245.ZM21377(a)indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> from "Pete Turnbull" at Mar 9, 98 12:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > That would cerainly put it well into the v7 era 9by thre years). But there > were several differences, as I'm sure Tim knows, and some people didn't change. > I'd guess this one has back-ported some v7 stuff onto what was otherwise a > 'legacy' system. > > I think the RL02 drivers were written in Boston for v7 (or am I thinking of the > RX02 driver?). Maybe v7.h has something to do with allowing this driver to be > used? Well, this is what V7.h says: #DEFINE V7CODE 7 /* IF COMPILING V7 COMPATIBLE CODE */ #DEFINE V7 (U.U_SYSTEM == V7CODE) and this is what a config file looks like: # CAT CONFIG.MLAB # CONFIGURATION FOR EXTENDED CARE PATHOLOGY SYSTEM WITH RL CONSOLE SYS MEM RL RX2 ROOT RL 0 SWAP RL 0 19000 1480 CPU 23 FPU DL 5 LTC It also looks like there's support in the sources for 11/34's and 11/45's, in addition to the 11/23: # CD CONF # LS ADEVS C.C DATA.S L-MLAB.S MAKE-MLAB BDEVS C.TM F23.O L.S MAKEFILE CDEVS C23.C F23.S L23.S MKCONF.C MAKEFILE CONFIG F45.S M23.S SYSFIX C-MLAB.C CONFIG.AWK KDWORD.S M34.S SYSFIX.C C-MLAB.O CONFIG.MLAB L-MLAB.O M45.S > > Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's > > running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems > > to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short > > of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? > > I don't know, but if anyone else does, please tell! My 11/23 system has a > kernel panic if I try to run it on an 11/73 (by swapping out the CPU board). Maybe it is the CPU and not the memory that's causing the problem - I was probably a bit premature in jumping to the conculsion about the memory (perhaps my 2.9BSD experiences aren't applicable here.) > > # LS GAMES > > ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP > > BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS > > Interesting... ADVENT is missing from my v7. Any chance of a copy? Sure. Warren's already moved the RL02 image to Boot_images in the PUPS archive, and at some point someone (me? Warren?) might find enough copious free time to strip out the sources. The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find the 'mount' executable. I suspect that the system manager might have removed or (more likely) renamed it as a security precaution. (Security? Unix? well, you can try...) I'd like to mount one of the user disks on a second RL drive, but without 'mount' this is hard. Anyone have any ideas? "/dev/rl1" is real and works fine, as I can "od /dev/rl1" without a problem. # MOUNT /DEV/RL0 /MNT MOUNT NOT FOUND # CD / # LS -A . ETC MNT RX UNIX.RXRL .. FIXOWNER MNT1 SRC UNIX.TMP .MAIL HMBOOT MNT2 SYS USR .PROFILE JUNK NAMES TMP V7BOOT A.OUT LIB OLDUNIX UNIX X BIN LIB.OLD OLDUNIX.25.7 UNIX.JONES XLIB DEV LOOP RLUBOOT UNIX.MLAB # CAT .PROFILE V7=YES UMASK 002 HOME=\'PWD\' : MAIL=$HOME/.MAIL B=$HOME/BIN PATH=:$B:/BIN:/USR/BIN:/USR/BIN/V7:/USR/UCB PS1="$ " UPTIME : 'ECHO -N "FORTUNE: "; /USR/GAMES/FORTUNE' # LS /BIN A DB GREP NEWGRP SH.V7 ANVART DC HELP NM SH.YALE AR DCHECK ICHECK OAS SIZE AR-NEW DD IF OCC SORT AR-OLD DF KILL OD STRIP AS DISKCOPY L OLDCHEF STTY AT DISKCOPY.OLD LD OLS SU AWK DSW LINK OPR SUM BAS DU LIST OXY SYNC BYE DUMP LN PASSWD TIME CAT E LOGIN PGS TP CC ECHO LPR PR TP.OLD CDB ED LS PS TS CHGRP EXIT LST RESTOR TTY CHMOD F MAIL REW UNIQ CHOWN FC MAKE RM WHO CLRI FF MENU RMDIR WRITE CMP FILE MKDIR SH XTP CP FS MV SH.BELL XY CSH FTN NCC SH.DEFAULT DATE GOTO NCHECK SH.TEST # LS /USR/BIN ! DIFF GSI NCCC SPLIT STTY DIFFDIR HACK NICE SRCCOM AC DITTO HEAD NMS STARTLP ARCV DOSCVT HEX NOHUP STOP ASA DOSDT IGNORE NOPARITY STRINGS BANNER DOUBLE INDEX NROFF SYSMON BASIC DOWN INFO OFFLINE TABEXP BATCHCARDS DRIBBLE IUL ONLINE TABS BC DSTAT JOIN PARITY TB BCD DTC KWT PF TCON BCPIO DTCOPY LABELS PFE TEE BCPL DTFS LAST PFSH TOASA BEEP ENTER LC PFWAIT TOUCH C EOT LENGTH PG TR CAL ERASE LIBGEN PLOT TRIM CAP EXPAND LIBSORT PLOTTER TSET CCC FDB LINES PP TT CHDATE FED LINKER PPR TX4010 CHEF FERR LISP PROF TXOFF CHK FEXPR LOADVFU PT TXON CKDIR FIELDS LOC PWD TYPO CLEAR FILDES LOCK QP U2L COL FIND LONG RADPK UC COLS FIX LPI RC UNARCV COMM FIXLEN M2U READPPT V0CVT COST FMT M2U.OLD REFS V7CVT CPALL FMT_INDEX M6 ROFF VT125PLOT CPIO FMTCARD MAN RTDT WC CREF FMTINDEX MARK RTLD WHERE CRPOST FMTSORT MESG RULER WIPE CRYPT FOLD MNTBIN RUN WRAP CS FORM MPLOT RX2FMT XFS CS2 FSIZE MPLOT.HIDDEN RXFMT ZERO CTL GAMES MTS SA CVTRT GENDATE MTSFS SKULK DBL GRAB MVDIR SLEEP # LS /USR/BIN/V7 /USR/BIN/V7 NOT FOUND # LS /USR/UCB MAIL DRIBBLE.OUT GREP PIX SSP APROPOS EX HEAD PRINT STRINGS ASTAGS EX.OLD IUL PRINTENV TMP CKDIR EXPAND LAST PTAGS TOD CLEAR EYACC LOCK PX TRA CLOCK FLEECE LS PX34 TSET CR3 FMT.UCB MAKEWHATIS PXP UNTMP CTAGS FOLD MAN PXP34 VI CXREF FROM MKSTR PXREF W DAYTIME FTAGS MSGS RESET WHATIS DIFFDIR FUNNY NUM SEE WHEREIS DOUBLE GETNAME PI SETENV WHOAMI DRIBBLE GETS PI34 SOELIM XSTR Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10124 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:59 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Tue Mar 10 07:24:49 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10119 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:52 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA07849; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803092124.AA07849(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9803091737.AA13243(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 9, 98 09:37:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find > the 'mount' executable. Many thanks to Pete Turnbull, who pointed me towards /etc/mount. Some of the "user" disks appear to be corrupted. Anyone care to tell me where to find fsck? Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10206 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Milo Velimirovic <milov(a)toes.its.uwlax.edu> Tue Mar 10 07:52:20 1998 Received: from toes.its.uwlax.edu (toes.its.uwlax.edu [138.49.128.183]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10200 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:36 +1100 (EST) Received: by toes.its.uwlax.edu; id AA02902; NX5.67e/42; Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9803092152.AA02902(a)toes.its.uwlax.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Milo Velimirovic <milov(a)toes.its.uwlax.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:20 -0600 To: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Whither fsck (was: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source?) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Reply-To: Milo_Velimirovic(a)uwlax.edu References: <9803092124.AA07849(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Tim, fsck doesn't exist yet in the V6 world. you want icheck and dcheck... they need at least one argument which should be the name of a raw device containing the filesystem you want to check. (Using the block device anme will work but be much, much slower.) --- Milo Velimirovic <Milo.Velimirovic(a)uwlax.edu> Unix Computer Network Administrator (608) 785-8030 Information Technology Services -- Network Services University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W Begin forwarded message: > >X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> >Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? >To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au >Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) >In-Reply-To: <9803091737.AA13243(a)alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 9, 98 09:37:04 am >Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au > >> The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find >> the 'mount' executable. > >Many thanks to Pete Turnbull, who pointed me towards /etc/mount. > >Some of the "user" disks appear to be corrupted. Anyone care to tell >me where to find fsck? > >Tim. > Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10827 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:57 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Tue Mar 10 10:40:59 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10822 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:52 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10668 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803100040.LAA10668(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Just in from Dion To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Guys, Just got this in from Dion re the license. No word as to date of availability yet, I did say `we're waiting....' though. I sent Dion a draft set of instructions on how to get the license. Part of his return email goes: > 4. For AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, I suggest writing: > > All countries not excluded by Section 5.2 Yes, very good. I have no idea how to find that damned govt list. I think our reference is out of date but who > 5. You need to list the DESIGNATED CPUs. [Do we? I can't see where > on the draft to fill this in] If you have PDP-11 hardware, > list the number and models of PDP-11s, e.g No, it doesnt say that. It says that on our request, you must furnish the list, but we dont demand it up front. In practice, I doubt we will ever ask anyone to furnish this, much less do an on-site visit. Of course, it might be a fun way to win a trip to Australia if I volunteer to go on a tour to see that our highly valuable intellectual property is being treated right... ;-) That sounds good to me. Warren >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Wed Mar 11 13:16:06 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15085 for <unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:14:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14910 for unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803110316.OAA14910(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> To: unixarc(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP-11 UNIX Src Licenses Available Hello, you are receiving this mail for one of the following reasons: + you signed a petition urging SCO to make source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX available + your filled in a survey detailing what you wanted in such a source license + you are a member of the PUPS mailing list I am glad to announce that, as a result of the petition, SCO have made source licenses available for most versions of PDP-11 UNIX. The essential details of the license are: Covers research Editions 1 to 7, and 32V. Covers derived versions of UNIX which ran on PDP-11s. Specifically excludes System V onwards. Full source code, binaries and documentation. Personal, non-commercial use. Exchange of sources and modifications to other licensees. Non-disclosure to unlicensed people. The cost is US$100. Details on how to obtain the license are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html SCO will not ship any media with this license. The PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society has a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs and tapes in order to distribute the PUPS Archive of old Unix software to licensed people. Details about this archive are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html We would like a few more licensed people to volunteer to create CD-ROMs and tapes, to take the load off the existing volunteers. Finally, none of this would have been possible without the immense support which we received from Dion Johnson within SCO. He battled with the legal eagles over a period of 18 months or so to make the license available. If you can, please send Dion a thank you card at the address The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Dion Johnson This will be a surprise for him, but I'm sure he will appreciate your thanks. In turn, I would like to thank you all for your support. Without the signatures on the petition, none of this would have been possible. Warren Toomey wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15239 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:50 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Wed Mar 11 13:52:01 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15234 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:47 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15256 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803110352.OAA15256(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: SCO PDP-11 Licenses Available To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Most of you on the PUPS mailing list should have received notice that SCO are now selling the PDP-11 Unix source licenses we have been waiting so long for. If not, details are on the PUPS web page, and at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html We only have 6 volunteers ready to write media (CDs, tapes) holding the archive of PDP-11 Unix material. Anybody else want to volunteer? SCO will let us set up password-protected ftp sites. I will set up the PUPS archive here for password-protected ftp. Would anybody else be prepared to mirror this and also provide password-protected ftp? I'd like one in the US and one in Europe. Cheers all, Warren

27 years, 5 months

Re: Hardware guru needed!

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 5, 12:59, Stacy Minkin wrote: > Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. > Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and > RQDX3 and all of that) You probably don't need to change anyhing on the RQDX3 -- they're usually set up correctly (because they'e not often changed :-) > Same story with RQDX3 - currently I have no RDx disks so I thought > that boot my system from RX50 is not a bad idea... I've plugged > standard 5 inch floppy to RQDX3 sig. dist. connector labeled "RX50" > and fired up the machine. Got nothing. During init, the RQDX3 probes the disk(s) to see what's there. For a floppy, it checks for an RX50 by selecting the drive, finding track zero, and then switching the side select. On a real RX50, which actually behaves as two separate single-sided drives, this turns off the track zero signal; but not on any normal drive. There's a way to fool it, but you need to modify the drive or add a little circuitry. However, if you can find an RX33-compatible drive, that would be more useful anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20302 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:43:39 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Fri Mar 6 02:25:43 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA20297 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:43:32 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA03469; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:25:43 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803051625.AA03469(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: Hardware guru needed! To: stacy(a)asia.uznet.net (Stacy Minkin) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <199803050759.MAA00282(a)harrier.asiasys.com> from "Stacy Minkin" at Mar 5, 98 12:59:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > Those new machine is the > main reason for joining to this list for me. > It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, > TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. > I also have the complete BSD2.9 source distribution > in tar file and like to run all of the above. Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. > Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. > Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and > RQDX3 and all of that) and have very little docs about > how to set it correctly. The best place to ask about these things would be the usenet newsgroup vmsnet.pdp-11. Tim. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20695 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:24:04 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Fri Mar 6 04:07:15 1998 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20690 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:23:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22049 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:07:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199803051807.KAA22049(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Hardware guru needed! Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> > > Those new machine is the main reason for joining to this list for me. > > It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, > > TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. > > Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) > controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. That's almost two problems :-) It might be possible to retrofit [T]MSCP support into 2.9 but it would be a lot of work and a system with both MSCP and non-MSCP devices would be required. Swapping out the cpu card for a KDJ-11AB (M8192 if my memory hasn't completely faded) wouldn't be too expensive and would speed things up too. Hmmm, might need a MXV11 bootrom card. Perhaps a KDJ-11BB would be a better way to go. Steven Schultz Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21408 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:25:23 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Fri Mar 6 06:23:21 1998 Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21403 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:25:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:23:21 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Subject: Just got V7 going on 11/83... To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Message-ID: <13337322993.13.DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I just got V7 to load on my 11/83. Killes 2 hours playing wump. Who says you need grpahics for games? :) Anyway, I know there's no source liscense yet, but can I get someone to build a kernel for me? I wouldn't have to see source... It'd be real neat to hang this off a termserver and allow telnets... I'm gonna do that with my RSTS box real soon, the only limitation here is that V7 is only built with support for the console. I have the V7 image downloaded from DEC. I kermitted it to the 83, and did COPY v7.DSK/FILE DL0:/DEVICE It truncated something, but FSCK says the pack is fine. I have to load RT-11 from the MSCP, then say BOOT/FOR DL0: to start V7, though because if I tell the ROM to load DL0, it dies saying the disk isn't bootable. But at least it runs! ------- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21527 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:13:01 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Nickolai Zeldovich <kolya(a)zepa.net> Fri Mar 6 07:12:44 1998 Received: from orion.zepa.net (root(a)orion.zepa.net [205.245.53.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21522 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:12:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from orbit.zepa.net (root(a)orbit.zepa.net [205.245.53.14]) by orion.zepa.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19731 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from orbit.zepa.net (kolya(a)orbit.zepa.net [205.245.53.14]) by orbit.zepa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA25305 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: Nickolai Zeldovich <kolya(a)zepa.net> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP Prompt? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980305160751.25074A-100000(a)orbit.zepa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to revive a PDP 11/04, but not having much luck at the moment.. I got a serial terminal hooked up to it, and upon bootup, it gives me the following on the display: <triangle sign><triangle sign> 177777 177776 $ apparently, $ is some sort of a prompt. It only accepts two characters, and after, it seems, any pair of characters, will go on and give me a new prompt. Is this some sort of a ROM debugger? What can I tell it? I think I've tried almost every combination of 2 letters without any success.. Some info about the PDP: It's a 11/04, with a dual 8" floppy drive and some big cage made by MTS, with nothing in it but a large number of slots. Has some buttons saying 'STATION 1 DUMP', 'STATION 2 DUMP', and so on.. The floppy drive has two 8" floppies in it, one of them appears to be some sort of a system floppy, the other has no label. Does this look like even remotely salvageable? :) -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai(a)zepa.net ] Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21757 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:44 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Fri Mar 6 07:52:14 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21752 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:35 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA01812; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:52:15 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803052152.AA01812(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: PDP Prompt? To: kolya(a)zepa.net (Nickolai Zeldovich) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980305160751.25074A-100000(a)orbit.zepa.net> from "Nickolai Zeldovich" at Mar 5, 98 04:12:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to revive a PDP 11/04, but not having much luck at the moment.. > I got a serial terminal hooked up to it, and upon bootup, it gives me the > following on the display: > > <triangle sign><triangle sign> 177777 177776 > $ > > apparently, $ is some sort of a prompt. It only accepts two characters, > and after, it seems, any pair of characters, will go on and give me a new > prompt. > > Is this some sort of a ROM debugger? What can I tell it? I think I've > tried almost every combination of 2 letters without any success.. Commands available at this prompt include: L<space>nnnnnn<CR> - to set an address E<space> - to examine the address set with L D<space>nnnnnn<CR> - to deposit at an address set with L S<CR> - begin running at the loaded address The console ROM is very picky; all letters need to be in upper case, and you need to type <space> and <CR> in exactly the right places. It's also very stupid, in that if you try to Examine or Deposit to a non-existent address, the only clue you get is that the RUN light on the goes out and you have restart it from the front. > It's a 11/04, with a dual 8" floppy drive and some big cage made by MTS, > with nothing in it but a large number of slots. Has some buttons saying > 'STATION 1 DUMP', 'STATION 2 DUMP', and so on.. The floppy drive has two > 8" floppies in it, one of them appears to be some sort of a system floppy, > the other has no label. > > Does this look like even remotely salvageable? :) It'll never run a modernish Unix, but it will run RT-11 just fine. Is the floppy controller a DEC RX211 (M8256) or RX11 (M7846) or some third-party clone? Are there any boot ROM's on the M9312? The RX01 boot ROM is 23-753A9, and the RX02 boot rom is 23-811A9. If you've got a third party RX clone controller, it may have the boot ROM on that board. Try examining addresses 173000, 173200, 173400, 173600, and 171000 to see if a boot ROM might be living at any of these addresses. As this is very non-Unix related, you might want to ask any other questions you have on a more general PDP-11 related forum, such as the Usenet newsgroup "vmsnet.pdp-11". Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26620 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:33:09 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Fri Mar 6 15:34:38 1998 Received: from harrier.Uznet.NET (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26615 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:32:58 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy@localhost) by harrier.Uznet.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00190 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:34:38 +0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:34:38 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Message-Id: <199803060534.KAA00190(a)harrier.Uznet.NET> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: Hardware guru needed Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk >What backplane? There are 16, 18 and 22 bit address backplanes and >using the smaller with the larger memory generally does not work and >give an address error. >I prefer to use part/model number like H9273(a backplane) or >M8259(memory). How actually distinguish these backplanes? I can check whether extended address lines are routed to slots, if it sufficient - ok. If not - are there more differencies? >What you need is a copy of the dec hand books that list all those details. >Any of the volumes from the mid to late 80s would help. No chance to get it in xUSSR! >Standard floppy? You can use a DEC RX50 or an RX33(teacfd55gfv). If >using the latter *all* of the jumper must be set up correctly in the >drive. The RX33 is a 1.2m 5.25" drive with speed select. You cannot >use a PC 5.25 360k drive or a 3.5" drive(actually it's possible but, >very non standard and unhelpful to you at this time). Which logical drive address should be set on floppy? >Unless the jumpers or switches on the RQDX3 were messed with the defalt >addresses and config are usually the way they are set and fit for use. The time I got RQDX3 it's address was set wrong. I've changed it immediately but there are lots of other switches... >For the RDxx you can use a ST225(rd31), st251(rd32), QUANTUM D540(rd52), >micropolus 1325(rd53) or MAXTOR2990(RD54) if they are formatted correctly. >or any other drive that matches the number of heads and cylinders of those >listed. Note those are all MFM type drives. Has anyone formatter? >Allison Stacy Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26655 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:48:40 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Fri Mar 6 15:50:05 1998 Received: from harrier.Uznet.NET (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26650 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:48:29 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy@localhost) by harrier.Uznet.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00239 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:50:05 +0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:50:05 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Message-Id: <199803060550.KAA00239(a)harrier.Uznet.NET> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: hardware guru needed Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk >Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) >controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. No problem. I can write this drivers. Pete Tornbull wrote about triggering "TRACK0" signal in responce to triggering "SIDE SEL". Is it the only difference? Stacy. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29268 for pups-liszt; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:47:23 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Beastly Wolf <beast(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> Sat Mar 7 05:48:24 1998 Received: from tesla.df.lth.se (tesla.df.lth.se [194.47.252.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29263 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:47:15 +1100 (EST) Received: from lintilla2.df.lth.se (lintilla2.df.lth.se [194.47.252.38]) by tesla.df.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00160; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:47:09 +0100 (MET) Received: by lintilla2.df.lth.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA29597; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:24 +0100 (MET) From: Beastly Wolf <beast(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> To: Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: Hardware guru needed In-Reply-To: <199803060534.KAA00190(a)harrier.Uznet.NET> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.980306204439.29584A-100000(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk About formatter.. The VAXstation 2000 can format iron beds. You plug in 'any' mfm drive and if the enter TEST 53. If the machine does not recognize the drive, it will prompt you for drive parameters. /Lars On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stacy Minkin wrote: > > >What backplane? There are 16, 18 and 22 bit address backplanes and > >using the smaller with the larger memory generally does not work and > >give an address error. > > >I prefer to use part/model number like H9273(a backplane) or > >M8259(memory). > How actually distinguish these backplanes? > I can check whether extended address lines are routed to slots, if > it sufficient - ok. If not - are there more differencies? > > >What you need is a copy of the dec hand books that list all those details. > >Any of the volumes from the mid to late 80s would help. > > No chance to get it in xUSSR! > > >Standard floppy? You can use a DEC RX50 or an RX33(teacfd55gfv). If > >using the latter *all* of the jumper must be set up correctly in the > >drive. The RX33 is a 1.2m 5.25" drive with speed select. You cannot > >use a PC 5.25 360k drive or a 3.5" drive(actually it's possible but, > >very non standard and unhelpful to you at this time). > > Which logical drive address should be set on floppy? > > >Unless the jumpers or switches on the RQDX3 were messed with the defalt > >addresses and config are usually the way they are set and fit for use. > > The time I got RQDX3 it's address was set wrong. I've changed it immediately > but there are lots of other switches... > > >For the RDxx you can use a ST225(rd31), st251(rd32), QUANTUM D540(rd52), > >micropolus 1325(rd53) or MAXTOR2990(RD54) if they are formatted correctly. > >or any other drive that matches the number of heads and cylinders of those > >listed. Note those are all MFM type drives. > > Has anyone formatter? > > > >Allison > > Stacy > Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05932 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:36:05 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Mon Mar 9 05:35:55 1998 Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05927 for <pups(a)minnie.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:35:59 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA26778; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:35:55 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Message-Id: <9803081935.AA26778(a)alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:35:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.980306204439.29584A-100000(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> from "Beastly Wolf" at Mar 6, 98 08:48:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I've been sorting through some RL02's that came with a 11/23 system that I bought at a UBC SERF sale a year or so ago. On these RL02's there is at least one bootable V6 system, apparently generated specifically to be run on a 11/23. This ought to be of some interest to folks with real 11/23's with RL02 drives, as the other V6 systems that I'm aware of don't have RL02 handlers. Here's the question: this RL02 apparently has kernel sources in the directories /sys/ken and /sys/dmr. Does the presence of these files mean that I can only distribute images of this RL02 to those with source licenses? A non-legal question: the system identifies itself as "v6" when it boots, but there is a "v7.h" header file in the /sys directory. Is this maybe really a V7 system? Or maybe from an era when the trnasition from V6 to V7 was being made? Datestamps on the files are from 1982. For those who are listed, a log produced while running in single-user mode from a copy of the RL02 pack. Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) b dl0 !unix unix v6 11/23 mem = 99 KW max = 63 # CD /SYS # LS V7.H FILE.H LIB1 SEG.H TTY.H BUF.H FILSYS.H LIB2 SGTTY.H USER.H CONF INO.H PARAM.H STAT.H CONF.H INODE.H PROC.H SYSTM.H DMR KEN REG.H TEXT.H # LS DMR KEN DMR: MAKEFILE DHFDM.O HT.O PIR.C TC.O AD.C DN.C IC.C PIR.O TM.C AD.O DN.O IC.O RF.C TM.O ADOLD.C DP.C IOCTL.C RF.O TTY.C BDREL.C DP.O IOCTL.O RK.C TTY.O BIO.C DUP.C IR.C RK.O TTY.S BIO.O DUP.O IR.O RL.C TTYI.C CAT.C DZ.C KL.C RL.O TTYI.O CAT.O DZ.O KL.O RM04.LAYOUT TTYINEW.C CR.C FAKE.C LP.C RP.C VS.C CR.O FAKE.O LP.O RP.O VS.O DC.C HM.C MEM.C RX2.C VT.C DC.O HM.O MEM.O RX2.O VT.O DH.C HP.C OLDRL.C STAT.C XP.C DH.O HP.O PARTAB.C STAT.O XP.O DHDM.C HS.C PARTAB.O SYS.C XY.C DHDM.O HS.O PC.C SYS.O XY.O DHFDM.C HT.C PC.O TC.C KEN: MAKEFILE IGET.S PIPE.C SUBR.C SYSENT.C ALLOC.C IOCTL.C PRF.C SYS1.C TEXT.C CLOCK.C MAIN.C RDWRI.C SYS2.C TRAP.C FIO.C MALLOC.C SIG.C SYS3.C TRAP.S IGET.C NAMI.C SLP.C SYS4.C # CD /USR # LS ADM HANNAH LEUNG OLD WHO BATCH HARDY LIB PROGM XLIB BIN INCLUDE LOG RAWICZ XYD EVANS INF LPD TMP YEUNG FORT KNOWLES MDEC UCB GAMES KUKAN NEEDHAM WEBB # LS GAMES ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS # LS UCB MAIL DRIBBLE.OUT GREP PIX SSP APROPOS EX HEAD PRINT STRINGS ASTAGS EX.OLD IUL PRINTENV TMP CKDIR EXPAND LAST PTAGS TOD CLEAR EYACC LOCK PX TRA CLOCK FLEECE LS PX34 TSET CR3 FMT.UCB MAKEWHATIS PXP UNTMP CTAGS FOLD MAN PXP34 VI CXREF FROM MKSTR PXREF W DAYTIME FTAGS MSGS RESET WHATIS DIFFDIR FUNNY NUM SEE WHEREIS DOUBLE GETNAME PI SETENV WHOAMI DRIBBLE GETS PI34 SOELIM XSTR # Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06382 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:37:19 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon Mar 9 09:38:15 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06377 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:37:15 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08954 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:38:15 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803082338.KAA08954(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: FAQ of Archive of PDP-11 Unix To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:38:15 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk All, I'm starting up a FAQ on the archive of PDP-11 Unix stuff and how to use it. What I've got so far is at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/faq1.html but not yet linked to the other pages. I'm happy to take other questions. I'm _very_ happy to get answers! Answers will have attributions of course. This is a back burner thing, but I'll go back through the mail archive and see what I can come up with. Also note: I will add a table of contents to the top at some stage. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06469 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:17:58 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon Mar 9 10:18:50 1998 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06464 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:17:54 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09059; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:18:50 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199803090018.LAA09059(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: 11/04 floppy problems To: kolya(a)zepa.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:18:50 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980308190743.24989A-100000(a)orbit.zepa.net> from Nickolai Zeldovich at "Mar 8, 98 07:13:08 pm" Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Nickolai Zeldovich: > I'm having a somewhat interesting problem with my PDP-11.. I'm trying to > boot a 11/04 from a 8" floppy drive, but DX, DX0, and DX1 all make it hang > up (RUN light goes out). Would you know what this would mean? I'm not sure > if this question is really appropriate for the list, sicne it's not > UNIX-related, and I've had little luck with newsgroups (seems my newsfeed > is quite flaky). > > -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai(a)zepa.net ] I'm punting this to the mailing list ONLY because Nickolai's news access is limited. Can someone help him with the problem? Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07686 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:10:09 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Beastly Wolf <beast(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> Mon Mar 9 19:11:02 1998 Received: from tesla.df.lth.se (tesla.df.lth.se [194.47.252.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07681 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:10:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from lintilla2.df.lth.se (lintilla2.df.lth.se [194.47.252.38]) by tesla.df.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23589; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:09:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by lintilla2.df.lth.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03042; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:02 +0100 (MET) From: Beastly Wolf <beast(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au cc: kolya(a)zepa.net, PDP Unix Preservation <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Re: 11/04 floppy problems In-Reply-To: <199803090018.LAA09059(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.980309095043.2980C-100000(a)lintilla2.df.lth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk NIkolai! Your problem MIGHT be because somebody shuffled the cards for you! There are some classical caveats when it comes to the UNIBUS based system. a) There must be an uninterrupted grant chain all the way and no holes. b) There are two types of slots. DMA (also called a MUD or Modified Unibus Device) and NON DMA. Default is non DMA. To enable DMA you cut a strap on the wirewrapped backplane. (*cringe*)... This suggests that there are also two types of GRANT cards. One resembling a dual QBUS grant card but with green handles and one very small "playing card type" single card with no handle that can be (with force) inserted backwards and thus burn the bus. c) There must be a terminator card in the last position of the chain. I am at a customer site right now and do not have access to my library so I can not be more specific.. If you have any documentation handy, you should be able to use above information and find the exact information you need. If not, you should be able to locate the faulting device by "shortening" the bus. You start with CPU and a mem card and install the terminator directly after. See if you can deposit and examine stuff into RAM. Then put in the device directly after the last MEM card and test it and so forth. Eventually the system will fail and you have located the problem. Either remove the problem or get back to us. =) Note: With no documentation of the devices in question you have more problems. Some UNIBUSes are standard UNIBUSes. Others are special UNIBUSes for special device configurations. The UNIBUS PDP11 (or VAX) is a challange for the technically interested person. =) Oh yes... You can bypass devices by using the UNIBUS cable (a long stiff white flat cable with UNIBUS connectors in each end). Each UNIBUS sub bus is connected with the previous with a UNIBUS continuity card that consists of a short UNIBUS cable and two dual cards joined together to form one unit. If you want to bypass a device, take out the continuity from the start and end of the device, install a UNIBUS cable at the last position of the previous sub bus system and the first in the sub bus after the bypassed device. UNIBUS cables, continuity cards and grants (and also the terminator) all go in the same position across the bus and in no other place. One error here and it is BURN baby BURN! =/ /Lars On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Nickolai Zeldovich: > > I'm having a somewhat interesting problem with my PDP-11.. I'm trying to > > boot a 11/04 from a 8" floppy drive, but DX, DX0, and DX1 all make it hang > > up (RUN light goes out). Would you know what this would mean? I'm not sure > > if this question is really appropriate for the list, sicne it's not > > UNIX-related, and I've had little luck with newsgroups (seems my newsfeed > > is quite flaky). > > > > -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai(a)zepa.net ] > > I'm punting this to the mailing list ONLY because Nickolai's news access > is limited. Can someone help him with the problem? > > Warren > Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08220 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:45:12 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

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Re: Binary-only PDP UNIX

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<Oh yes it does. Mine is running (with RL02s) as I type this... < <I wouldn't exactly describe it as "fast", but it's servicable. The syste <(minus man pages) is on dl0: and user directories on dl1:. The system i Ok a unique build, is that in the archive? How about using a RQDX3 and rd52 or rd53 as its a bit more room than a single RL? <built for a "small machine", which makes a difference to the memory manag <(no separate I&D spaces), and things like f77 and troff aren't there (nro F77 is no loss but CC, vi and nroff are a must. Speed is not required. <> suggest a way to get the images on to the RL02 using RT-11 I'm interest <> I can kermit the files from the PC so that step is not a problem. < <Kermit-11 should do that for you, but watch the bad blocks. Kermit would be running under RT-11 the all I'd be doing is copying a tar.z file over or make the detar'd files over to files under rt-11 structures. I need more on genning a bootable image from RT-11. While I'm comfortable in a lot of systems unix generally is not one save for user level activity. The only unix I have running currently is xenix on pro350 and linix on PC. I can't say how useful either would be to this project. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19043 for pups-liszt; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:58:30 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Thu Mar 5 17:59:48 1998 Received: from harrier.asiasys.com (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19038 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:58:13 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy@localhost) by harrier.asiasys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00282 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:59:48 +0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:59:48 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin <stacy(a)asia.uznet.net> Message-Id: <199803050759.MAA00282(a)harrier.asiasys.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Hardware guru needed! Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hi dear PUPS! It is about one week gone from the mome I got sufficiently powerful PDP-11. Before this I ran LSI-11/02 under RT-11 and couldn't think about unix. Those new machine is the main reason for joining to this list for me. It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. I also have the complete BSD2.9 source distribution in tar file and like to run all of the above. Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and RQDX3 and all of that) and have very little docs about how to set it correctly. When I tried to bring up the KDF with memory at once KDF said : no memory :-] but it runs ok with little 32K memory board from LSI-11/2 ! Seems to me that my MSV-11 boards have wrong starting address settings or something... Same story with RQDX3 - currently I have no RDx disks so I thought that boot my system from RX50 is not a bad idea... I've plugged standard 5 inch floppy to RQDX3 sig. dist. connector labeled "RX50" and fired up the machine. Got nothing. I tried to investigate what happens to bootstrap. I've detected that during init of mscp controller it successfully undergoes steps 1 and 2 ( or maybe even 3) but in next step it returns 0 in SA and bootstrap waits for eternity when controller will enter next step... Looks like hardware fault, ha? Then I tried to check my TQK70 board. It had nothing connected to it, and I traced it's initialization sequence the same way. IT ALSO RETURNS ZERO in 3rd or 4th init step!. Can anyone help with the above? Sincerely yours - Stacy. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19463 for pups-liszt; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:38:35 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f

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