On 1/27/21 3:35 PM, Greg A. Woods wrote:
Thanks! (but I still need to pester my service
provider for rDNS!)
Sorry, I should have been a tiny bit more specific:
interface" here refers to a Graphical UI. Unix of course didn't start
out with a GUI of any kind, and workstation vendors like Sun and many
others at the time made a big deal out of how they were offering a
better user interface for their systems.
I separate "kernel" and "userland"
(here meaning all the command-line
programs, etc.) only because that's become a more common way to define
the "base OS" in unixy, i.e. linuxy, circles.
When I think of Base OS, I think of AIX, because it's the first place I
saw Base OS, referred to as BOS, explicitly called out. But, I know
that Solaris and HP-UX also have a very minimal install. Even Linux has
very minimal installs (debootstrap, Slackware boot+root, and DSL come to
I think of development applications / compilers, fancy text processing,
networking, X11, office applications as all being add on products.
Sure, Linux tends to come with a LOT of them installed by default.
I guess the base OS to me is what's required to boot, maintain, and
install a system. Anything else is ancillary as far as -- what I
consider to be -- the base OS is concerned.
This distinction between the traditional Unix layer
and the GUI is
quite important in the history of SunOS, since there have been a number
of different offerings from Sun for their GUI (Sun Windowing System,
SunView, NeWS, SunWindows); and also in how Sun promoted their various
GUI offerings as the solutions for wider use.
Hum. I guess my exposure to Solaris installations has tainted my view.
I helped support some DB servers with the full GUI developers
workstation installed, just in case it was needed. The people that
installed them didn't want to ever go back and pull something else in.
Which is why we had to patch Firefox, Thunderbird, and Pidgen /
libpurple on Solaris database servers. At least until I ripped those
things, along with the kitchen sink, out. It made patching so much
faster and smaller.
Even with the advent of a common choice of The X
Window System as the
basis for most workstation vendor's GUIs, there were still battles
over which toolkit and window manager and "look and feel" would prevail
(Athena vs. Motif vs. OpenLook), with Sun even evolving their offerings
(SunWindows, OpenLook) over time.
I'm vaguely aware of CDE and that there were others before / around
that. But my personal experience is largely after that. As such, I
wasn't aware of some of the things that you are talking about. Thank
you for enlightening me.
Grant. . . .
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