Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> I found a separate tape, labeled "August 23, 1992", with a matching cover
> letter (signed by Kirk McKusick) saying "This is a distribution tape
> for the 4.4BSD-Alpha release ... The binaries and kernel on the
> tape support the HP 9000/300 68000-based workstations...". Is this
> the holy grail?
OK, I dunno whether it qualifies as "the holy grail" or not, but yes, it is the
4.4BSD-Alpha dist.
> I would guess the "4.4BSD snapshot 4/1/92" is pre-release.
OK, just upload both if you can, I'll be happy to put them in the archive and
I'm sure Warren will be too.
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Sorry in advance if you unintentionally deleted this message because of
the topic, I'm an incorrigable smart-arse and couldn't resist. My other
idea was ILOVEYOU, but that's been done before...
> This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
> read this list for.
The initiator of this post was yours truly. I have been silet since this
post. I hate politics. I figured, "just let it simmer down and then
rationally respond." I hate flamefesten.
Sorry. Can't please everybody all the time. Hey, I don't even try, most of
the time. I find that sitting on the fence can be quite an uncomfortable
position to be in, especially if you're on one of the fenceposts. But, wie
immer, I digress. I didn't mean to crowd your (that is, the royal "your")
mailbox with my hardware woes. I had some issues, directly related to my
_usage_ of PDP-11 UNIX, and, insofar as both the mentioned PDP-11 mailing
list and the DECUS PDP-11 list on eisner.decus.org are both ghost towns,
and several members of this mailing list seem to know quite a bit about
both the hardware platform and the software I choose to run (2.11BSD), I
dreamt of things that never were and said "why not." Thanks to the
knowledge of fellow list-members, my questions were answered, my problem
was solved, and the result is now available in the PUPS archive under
Tools/Disks/rx50-FreeBSD.tar.gz (no comments on code quality to the group,
please; that would be off-topic [read: embarassing] :) Qs and Cs to
jasomill(a)indiana.edu welcome), which is useful to me and may possibly be
of some interest to other PDP-11 UNIX hobbyists trying to solve the same
problem.
I read the entire PUPS mailing list archive before making my first post.
I've noticed that the top three platform-specific topics seem to be (in
order of appearance):
1) emulator software
2) VAX hardware
3) PDP hardware
I don't use an emulator and I don't have a VAX (though I want one very
very much, but admittably to run VMS mostly), but the discussions don't
bother me. As a matter of fact, some of them interest me; those that
don't, I skip. Anyway, just an observation.
I know it's not the PHPS, but I can not be dissuaded in my belief that
actually _using_ the systems is a vital part of a living preservation
effort, and using them without functional hardware is a bit difficult,
emulators notwithstanding. But please don't deactivate me :), I'll read a
UHS list and a PUPS list and a VAX list and an RT-PC list (I've been
wanting to get my hands on one of those buggers for awhile, actually),
desirous of everything at the same time, and try my best not to yawn and
say commonplace things (apologizes to Jack Kerouac). Thanks again for help
and interesting discussion, to all parties involved, mad to talk or less
so.
What about archiving PDP hardware information? I don't mean discussing
obscure timing details of RK05 controllers or anything, but having a
section of the archive for random hardware tidbits re: PDP. It's not
_directly_ related to UNIX preservation, but it'd be a boon to PDP UNIX
users (not to mention keeping list traffic down in re: these things), and
its space requirements are miniscule. Maybe wait until the PDP-specific
stuff is split off, and create a directory. I'd be happy to maintain it
(I'm also attempting to contact DEC ne Compaq about getting some legacy
docs released; those, of course, would be included; no, that's not what
Mentec bought, I don't think, that's RSX and RSTS/E and RT-11, maybe even
Ultrix. They provide engineering support to DEC PDP-11 customers as well
as compatible hardware, but I believe Compaq still owns the copyrights to
the Digital hardware documentation. Not 100% sure though).
Once again, sorry, once again, thanks, and in closing,
AWWWW,
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It may have already been discussed before, but here is the list of
distirbutions on McKusick's "The CSRG Archives" 4-CD set:
1BSD, 2BSD, 3BSD, 2.9pucc, 2.10, 2.79, 2.8, 2.9, 4.0, 4.1, 4.1a, 4.1c.1,
4.1c.2, 4.1.snap, 4.2, 4.3, VM.snapshot.1, VM.snapshot.2, 4.3Tahoe,
4.3Reno, Net/1, Net/2, 4.4, 4.4-Lite1, 4.4-Lite2, and /usr/src SCCS
files.
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Quasijarus Consortium members and TUHS/PUPS archive users,
Since early fall 1998 the archive has had an incomplete distribution of 4.2BSD
reconstructed from some bogus tape images from Per Andersson. This morning Tim
Shoppa read an authentic 4.2BSD tape dist. I compared it with the incomplete
dist in the archive and found that it is the same dist, Tim Shoppa's version is
complete and correct, and Per Andersson's version was incomplete. The files
that were in the archive were correct. I added the missing files this morning,
making the 4.2BSD dist in the archive complete. It is in
Distributions/4bsd/4.2BSD, it is a superset of what was there before (because
what was there before was just missing some files), and it identically matches
Tim Shoppa's copy in his home directory.
I left Per Andersson's original (bogus) files in the Per_Andersson
subdirectory. Warren, it's up to you if you want to keep or delete them.
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Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> * A 4.3BSD-Reno VAX tape dated "1/2/91". I suppose I have to get down
> on my hands and knees and see how this differs from the version dated
> "30 Jul 90" currently in Distributions/4bsd/4.3BSD-Reno. This has
> the original UCB stickers on it.
Yes.
> * A set of tar files on a tape claiming to be the "4.4BSD snapshot
> 4/1/92". Is PUPS/TUHS collecting anything anything this late? Is
> something like this already in Kirk's archive?
Kirk, you'll have to fill me in on this one. Is this the "4.4BSD-Alpha" I've
seen mentioned in some places? In any case this is not on Kirk's CD-ROMs and
I'll include it in my 4BSD collection.
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>> * A set of tar files on a tape claiming to be the "4.4BSD snapshot
>> 4/1/92". Is PUPS/TUHS collecting anything anything this late? Is
>> something like this already in Kirk's archive?
>Kirk, you'll have to fill me in on this one. Is this the "4.4BSD-Alpha" I've
>seen mentioned in some places? In any case this is not on Kirk's CD-ROMs and
>I'll include it in my 4BSD collection.
I found a separate tape, labeled "August 23, 1992", with a matching cover
letter (signed by Kirk McKusick) saying "This is a distribution tape
for the 4.4BSD-Alpha release ... The binaries and kernel on the
tape support the HP 9000/300 68000-based workstations...". Is this
the holy grail?
I would guess the "4.4BSD snapshot 4/1/92" is pre-release.
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Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> wrote:
> And Tapes 6 and 7 seem to be a complete distribution set of 4.2BSD,
> they ought to form a good replacement for the supposedly damaged and
> incomplete set in /Distributions/4bsd/4.2BSD.
>
> [contents skipped, perfectly matches CSRG 4.2BSD dist]
Yes, please read them and I'll put them in the archive. I maintain the 4BSD
area.
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In article by Tim Shoppa:
> On an Expedition to NJ Tuesday, I rescued about 3/4 of a ton of magtapes.
> Tape 1:
>
> AT&T 60462
> Unix System V Release 2.0
> VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
> TPName: Root and Selectables
Yes please, I have sysVR0 in the archive at the moment.
> Tape 2:
> AT&T 60463
> Unix System V Release 2.0
> VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
> TPName: USR File System
Yes please. Don't have it yet!
> Tape 3:
> UNIX* System III
> PDP 11/70,45 - 800 BPI
Could be the same as Distributions/usdl/SysIII, but read it anyway!
> And Tapes 6 and 7 seem to be a complete distribution set of 4.2BSD,
> they ought to form a good replacement for the supposedly damaged and
> incomplete set in /Distributions/4bsd/4.2BSD.
Again, yes please!!!
Thanks Tim.
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> Again, yes please!!!
Would it be useful if I also uploaded GIF's or JPG's or TIFF's of scans
of the labels on the original tapes? If so, is there any preference for
the format of the scan? These are all (as Tommy Smothers
would say) "the original virgin" tapes.
Tim.
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>From Markus Leypold <leypold(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Fri Jun 16 18:04:53 2000
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WOW. Great. Super !! :-)
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> From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com>
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>
> On an Expedition to NJ Tuesday, I rescued about 3/4 of a ton of magtapes.
> Some of these will probably be interesting for the PUPS archive. In particular,
> I'm reading through seven of 'em tonight. If someone could explain to
> me how "Unix System V Release 2.0" and "Unix System III" work into the
> grand scheme of AT&T Unices already in the PUPS archive, and how 2.9.1 BSD
> might be different from (or the same as) the 2.9 BSD stuff already in the
> archive, I'd forever appreciate it :-).
>
> The first two tapes are AT&T Unix System V tapes for VAXen:
>
> Tape 1:
>
> AT&T 60462
> Unix System V Release 2.0
> VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
> TPName: Root and Selectables
>
> AT&T 60462
> Dwg: j1p077c-3 List:1M1
> TP No: OTP-1P550-01 IS: 2.0V2
> Order: VX501404 Spec:000 Item:1
> BPI 1600 Max Blksize: 05120 Files:0009
> Date:01/13/86 Opr: jlc Drv: tu-2
>
>
> Tape 2:
> AT&T 60463
> Unix System V Release 2.0
> VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
> TPName: USR File System
>
> AT&T 60463
> Dwg: j1p077c-3 List:2m2
> TP No: OTP-1P550-02 IS: 2.0V2
> Order: UX501404 Spec:000 Item:1
> BPI 1600 Max Blksize: 05120 Files:0009
> Date:01/13/86 Opr: jlc Drv: tu-0
>
>
> The third tape is UNIX System III from AT&T:
>
> Tape 3:
> UNIX* System III
> PDP 11/70,45 - 800 BPI
> Release Tape #1
> *UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories
>
> Restricted Rights
> Use Duplication or Disclosure is Subject
> To Restrictions Stated in your contract with
> American Telephone & Telegraph
>
> The Fourth and Fifth tape are either 2.9BSD or 2.9.1BSD (I
> can't tell the difference until I compare these tapes with the
> files already in the PUPS archives):
>
> Tape 4:
>
> Berkeley UNIX (Rev. 2.9.1) 2.9BSD
> Sun Nov 20 14:55:50 PST 1983
> 800 BPI HT/TM boot tape. For tar files
> skip the first 7 tape files with
> ``mt -t /dev/nrmt0 fsf 7''
> Reel 1 of 2 Tape #
>
> Tape 5:
> Berkeley UNIX (Rev. 2.9.1) 2.9BSD
> Sun Nov 20 14:55:50 PST 1983
> 800 BPI Tar of /usr/src
> Reel 2 of 2
>
> And Tapes 6 and 7 seem to be a complete distribution set of 4.2BSD,
> they ought to form a good replacement for the supposedly damaged and
> incomplete set in /Distributions/4bsd/4.2BSD.
>
> Tape 6:
> 4.2bsd VAX UNIX System 8/23/83
> 6 files on tape:
> 1 (boot stuff) 2 (mini root)
> 3 ((root dump) 4 (/sys) 5 (/usr)
> 6 (/usr/lib/vfont)
> last three are tar; 1600 bpi
>
> Tape 7:
> 4.2bsd VAX UNIX System 8/23/83
> tape 2: 3 files on tape
> 1 (/usr/src)
> 2 (user contributed software)
> 3 (/usr/ingres)
> all files are tar; 1600 bpi
>
> Like I said, there's about 3/4 of a ton of tapes in total, I'm sure there
> are some other PUPS-related goodies deeper in the pile...
>
> --
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>
> > Again, yes please!!!
>
> Would it be useful if I also uploaded GIF's or JPG's or TIFF's of scans
> of the labels on the original tapes? If so, is there any preference for
> the format of the scan? These are all (as Tommy Smothers
> would say) "the original virgin" tapes.
Well, I'm presently only a client of the archive, so to say, but why not use
png (the gif replacement advocated by the FSF). Better not use GIF for all
this licensing issues. And as far as I see, png can be shown by -- well --
Netscape, whereas TIFF requires a plugin or an external viewer.
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OK, I started sorting through some more piles of tapes, and I found
a one more thing that I'm-not-quite-sure-where-it-fits:
Two tapes labeled "Vol 1 of 2" and "Vol 2 of 2" and then "2.10.2 SMS
Unix". Steven, does this mean you know what's on this and how it's
different than the 2.10 and 2.10.1 stuff already in the archive? :-) Terry
didn't remember...
Also, more goodies that may (or may not) be appropriate to add:
* A 4.3BSD-Reno VAX tape dated "1/2/91". I suppose I have to get down
on my hands and knees and see how this differs from the version dated
"30 Jul 90" currently in Distributions/4bsd/4.3BSD-Reno. This has
the original UCB stickers on it.
* A set of tar files on a tape claiming to be the "4.4BSD snapshot
4/1/92". Is PUPS/TUHS collecting anything anything this late? Is
something like this already in Kirk's archive?
Tim.
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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to alt.sys.pdp11 as well.
Time for the second round of assembler source code review.
If the user specifies a PDP-11 model to the assembler (e.g. -m11/45),
this code is used to tell the assembler what processor to assemble for.
Also, in one case (11/34a), the model enables FP-11 floating-point
instructions. Should this be done for 11/34c too? If there are any
other models with otherwise optional features installed, I'd like to
know.
if (strcmp (arg, "03") == 0) /* 11/03 */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11f"); /* KD11-F */
else if (strcmp (arg, "04") == 0) /* 11/04 */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11d"); /* KD11-D */
else if (strcmp (arg, "05") == 0 || /* 11/05 or 11/10 */
strcmp (arg, "10") == 0)
return set_cpu_model ("kd11b"); /* KD11-B */
else if (strcmp (arg, "15") == 0 || /* 11/15 or 11/20 */
strcmp (arg, "20") == 0)
return set_cpu_model ("ka11"); /* KA11 */
else if (strcmp (arg, "21") == 0) /* 11/21 */
return set_cpu_model ("t11"); /* T11 */
else if (strcmp (arg, "24") == 0) /* 11/24 */
return set_cpu_model ("f11"); /* F11 */
else if (strcmp (arg, "34") == 0) /* 11/34 */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11e"); /* KD11-E */
else if (strcmp (arg, "34a") == 0) /* 11/34a */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11e") && /* KD11-E with FP-11 */
set_option ("fpp");
else if (strcmp (arg, "35") == 0 || /* 11/35 or 11/40 */
strcmp (arg, "40") == 0)
return set_cpu_model ("kd11da"); /* KD11-A */
else if (strcmp (arg, "44") == 0) /* 11/44 */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11dz"); /* KD11-Z */
else if (strcmp (arg, "45") == 0 || /* 11/45/50/55/70 */
strcmp (arg, "50") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "55") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "70") == 0)
return set_cpu_model ("kb11"); /* KB11 */
else if (strcmp (arg, "60") == 0) /* 11/60 */
return set_cpu_model ("kd11k"); /* KD11-K */
else if (strcmp (arg, "53") == 0 || /* 11/53/73/83/84/93/94 */
strcmp (arg, "73") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "83") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "84") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "93") == 0 ||
strcmp (arg, "94") == 0)
return set_cpu_model ("j11"); /* J11 */
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On an Expedition to NJ Tuesday, I rescued about 3/4 of a ton of magtapes.
Some of these will probably be interesting for the PUPS archive. In particular,
I'm reading through seven of 'em tonight. If someone could explain to
me how "Unix System V Release 2.0" and "Unix System III" work into the
grand scheme of AT&T Unices already in the PUPS archive, and how 2.9.1 BSD
might be different from (or the same as) the 2.9 BSD stuff already in the
archive, I'd forever appreciate it :-).
The first two tapes are AT&T Unix System V tapes for VAXen:
Tape 1:
AT&T 60462
Unix System V Release 2.0
VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
TPName: Root and Selectables
AT&T 60462
Dwg: j1p077c-3 List:1M1
TP No: OTP-1P550-01 IS: 2.0V2
Order: VX501404 Spec:000 Item:1
BPI 1600 Max Blksize: 05120 Files:0009
Date:01/13/86 Opr: jlc Drv: tu-2
Tape 2:
AT&T 60463
Unix System V Release 2.0
VAX Version 2 for 11/780 and 11/750
TPName: USR File System
AT&T 60463
Dwg: j1p077c-3 List:2m2
TP No: OTP-1P550-02 IS: 2.0V2
Order: UX501404 Spec:000 Item:1
BPI 1600 Max Blksize: 05120 Files:0009
Date:01/13/86 Opr: jlc Drv: tu-0
The third tape is UNIX System III from AT&T:
Tape 3:
UNIX* System III
PDP 11/70,45 - 800 BPI
Release Tape #1
*UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories
Restricted Rights
Use Duplication or Disclosure is Subject
To Restrictions Stated in your contract with
American Telephone & Telegraph
The Fourth and Fifth tape are either 2.9BSD or 2.9.1BSD (I
can't tell the difference until I compare these tapes with the
files already in the PUPS archives):
Tape 4:
Berkeley UNIX (Rev. 2.9.1) 2.9BSD
Sun Nov 20 14:55:50 PST 1983
800 BPI HT/TM boot tape. For tar files
skip the first 7 tape files with
``mt -t /dev/nrmt0 fsf 7''
Reel 1 of 2 Tape #
Tape 5:
Berkeley UNIX (Rev. 2.9.1) 2.9BSD
Sun Nov 20 14:55:50 PST 1983
800 BPI Tar of /usr/src
Reel 2 of 2
And Tapes 6 and 7 seem to be a complete distribution set of 4.2BSD,
they ought to form a good replacement for the supposedly damaged and
incomplete set in /Distributions/4bsd/4.2BSD.
Tape 6:
4.2bsd VAX UNIX System 8/23/83
6 files on tape:
1 (boot stuff) 2 (mini root)
3 ((root dump) 4 (/sys) 5 (/usr)
6 (/usr/lib/vfont)
last three are tar; 1600 bpi
Tape 7:
4.2bsd VAX UNIX System 8/23/83
tape 2: 3 files on tape
1 (/usr/src)
2 (user contributed software)
3 (/usr/ingres)
all files are tar; 1600 bpi
Like I said, there's about 3/4 of a ton of tapes in total, I'm sure there
are some other PUPS-related goodies deeper in the pile...
--
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In article by David O'Brien:
> I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
I will create one today or tomorrow:
tuhs(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Unix Heritage
pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au PDP-11 Unix
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:50:48AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by David O'Brien:
> > I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> > guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
Hi Warren,
I was wrong for my email. The feed back has been that people like the
combined list. I have to admit I too like to see some of the PDP-11
info. I just felt the last thread had gotten off topic when it moved on
to purely PDP-11 hardware. I have been told I was wrong.
--
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In article by David O'Brien:
> I was wrong for my email. The feed back has been that people like the
> combined list. I have to admit I too like to see some of the PDP-11
> info. I just felt the last thread had gotten off topic when it moved on
> to purely PDP-11 hardware. I have been told I was wrong.
> -- David (obrien(a)NUXI.com)
Everybody, here is a person who has courage & honesty. Thanks for that, David.
However, I will still create two groups, because it will allow
more specific content to be addressed where relevant.
Cheers!
Warren
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Hello,
This is to inform you that you are subscribed to the PDP Unix
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> * David O'Brien wrote:
>
> > This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before,
> > but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the
> > first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
> > gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
> > discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
> > hardware.
>
> > I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> > guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
>
> Please don't. I love reading discussions of random old bits of
> hardware, and such discussions have gone on on the PUPS list for a
> long time.
So do I. Actually I can understand the need of some participants to
somehow reduce their mail volume. On the other side, it seems to be
quite difficult to draw the exact line between on- and
offtopic. Personally I try to filter as good as I can, and admittedly I
do not read everything at once (and sometimes only weeks later).
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On Thursday, 1 June 2000 at 10:25:34 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All,
> A discussion has started up on the PUPS volunteers list about the
> future direction we should take in terms of the PUPS Archive.
>
> For those people new to this list, here's a bit of background. Originally
> I set up the PDP-11 UNIX Preservation Society, the mailing list and the
> Archive as that was my interest.
>
> Since then, we've attracted people with interests in other Unixes, such
> as the 4BSDs, and other hardware platforms such as the Vax, the 68k Suns
> etc.
>
> A while back, I changed the charter of the mailing list to encompass any
> Unix-related questions, epecially to those systems which are now treated
> as `ancient' by the mainstream, even if they are being maintained (e.g
> 2.11BSD and the Quasijarus project).
>
> I also tried to create an umbrella organisation, the Unix Heritage Society
> (http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/) which would allow a number of groups
> like PUPS and Quasijarus to form, and so that we could co-ordinate their
> efforts. I must admit I haven't put much effort into this idea.
>
> Now, the PUPS Archive (PUPS in name, but it contains lots more than PDP-11
> stuff) is accumulating more and more stuff. Some people want to see a
> mainly PDP-11 archive, other want to try and archive everything before it
> goes off to /dev/null.
>
> So, I want to survey the mailing list here for ideas about the charter of
> the Unix Heritage Society, and a way of setting up one or multiple archives,
> mailing lists, web pages etc. as I originally envisioned.
>
> Questions:
> - should we keep one archive, or have multiple archives?
I don't really think it makes any difference. Structure one archive
well, and you can get the individual platform archives simply by going
down a directory level. The problem is, of course, that some software
can be relevant to multiple platforms.
> - if one, what structure (divisions on platforms, on vendors etc.)
I'd be inclined to go for the hardware platform, but I haven't thought
it through. Ultimately it would probably depend on the nature of the
software that came in.
> - if you have a keen interest in one platform/system, would you
> consider becoming the leader of an interest group that could
> sit under the Unix Heritage Society umbrella?
No, I don't think so. But you might be able to twist my arm.
> - do you want to set up and maintain a more specific archive,
> mailing list, web site, that the Unix Heritage Society could
> point to?
No.
> - do you want this current mailing list to stay ``all-encompassing'',
> or would you rather have more specific lists?
Personally I'd like it to be all-encompassing, but then, it's only a
small part of the 1000 messages I get per day, and it's easy to delete
messages I don't want to read.
> [ now stands back for the deluge! ]
That really happened, didn't it?
Greg
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Hi,
(Sorry if this is a FAQ)
I'm trying to boot the 2.11_rp_unknown image from Boot_Images.
This is what happens:
----------------------
gibbon:/net/scharfzahn/playing/boot_images$ pdp11
PDP-11 simulator V2.3d
sim> set cpu 18b
sim> att rp0 2.11_rp_unknown
sim> boot rp
53Boot from xp(0,0,0) at 0176700
: xp(0,0,0)unix
Boot: bootdev=05000 bootcsr=0176700
2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998
root@pdp11.begemot.com:/usr/src/sys/HIPPON
panic: buffers
no fs on dev 10/0
dumping to dev 5001 off 512
dump args:EINVAL
HALT instruction, PC: 006606 (JSR R5,3162)
sim>
----------------------
What am I doing wrong?
regards,
chris
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Hi -
> From: "Christian Groessler" <cpg(a)aladdin.de>
>
> I'm trying to boot the 2.11_rp_unknown image from Boot_Images.
> This is what happens:
>
> PDP-11 simulator V2.3d
> sim> set cpu 18b
Try "set cpu 22b" instead. Using 18b tells the simulator you have
a 248kb (and 8kb for the I/O page) machine and that is not enough
for 2.11 to load and allocate all the resources it needs.
> panic: buffers
Yep -that panic message says the kernel could not allocate any
memory for the buffer cache. I am almost certain that means
there is not enough free memory left out of 248kb.
> What am I doing wrong?
Try telling the emulator to use "22bit" mode. If that still
fails let us know. Then it will be time for "Plan B" ;)
Steven Schultz
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On 06/11/2000 11:36:45 PM GMT "Steven M. Schultz" wrote:
>
>>
>> PDP-11 simulator V2.3d
>> sim> set cpu 18b
>
> Try "set cpu 22b" instead. Using 18b tells the simulator you have
> a 248kb (and 8kb for the I/O page) machine and that is not enough
> for 2.11 to load and allocate all the resources it needs.
>
>> panic: buffers
>
> Yep -that panic message says the kernel could not allocate any
> memory for the buffer cache. I am almost certain that means
> there is not enough free memory left out of 248kb.
>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Try telling the emulator to use "22bit" mode. If that still
> fails let us know. Then it will be time for "Plan B" ;)
Hmm, sorry, it still doesn't work:
---------------------
gibbon:/net/scharfzahn/playing/boot_images$ pdp11
PDP-11 simulator V2.3d
sim> set cpu 22b
sim> att rp0 2.11_rp_unknown
sim> boot rp
53Boot from xp(0,0,0) at 0176700
: xp(0,0,0)unix
Boot: bootdev=05000 bootcsr=0176700
2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998
root@pdp11.begemot.com:/usr/src/sys/HIPPON
panic: buffers
no fs on dev 10/0
dumping to dev 5001 off 512
dump args:EINVAL
HALT instruction, PC: 006606 (JSR R5,3162)
sim>
---------------------
What is "Plan B"? :-)
regards,
chris
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> From: "Christian Groessler" <cpg(a)aladdin.de>
> Hmm, sorry, it still doesn't work:
> sim> set cpu 22b
> sim> att rp0 2.11_rp_unknown
> sim> boot rp
> What is "Plan B"? :-)
Plan B is to specify the amount of memory directly. Simply saying
"set cpu 22B" tells the emulator to use 22 bit addressing - but it
does not say how much memory the system has (it's possible to have
1mb of memory even though ~4mb is possible).
Try using both "set cpu 22B" and "set cpu 2048K" - that worked here.
It may well be that only "set cpu 2048K" is actually needed - I didn't
try that by itself.
Script started on Sun Jun 11 18:30:40 2000
moe.1-> cat f
set cpu 22B
set cpu 2048K
att rp0 rp
boot rp
moe.2-> pdp11 f
PDP-11 simulator V2.3d
53Boot from xp(0,0,0) at 0176700
:
: xp(0,0,0)unix
Boot: bootdev=05000 bootcsr=0176700
2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998
root@pdp11.begemot.com:/usr/src/sys/HIPPON
attaching lo0
phys mem = 2097152
avail mem = 1668352
user mem = 307200
January 8 06:50:29 init: configure system
lp 0 csr 177514 vector 200 attached
rl 0 csr 174400 vector 160 attached
tm 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached
xp 0 csr 176700 vector 254 attached
cn 1 csr 176500 vector 300 skipped: No CSR.
cn 2 csr 176510 vector 310 skipped: No CSR.
cn 3 csr 176520 vector 320 skipped: No CSR.
cn 4 csr 176530 vector 330 skipped: No CSR.
erase, kill ^U, intr ^C
# halt
syncing disks... done
halting
HALT instruction, PC: 000014 (MOV #1,12456)
sim> q
Goodbye
moe.3-> exit
exit
Script done on Sun Jun 11 18:30:59 2000
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>
> Plan B is to specify the amount of memory directly. Simply saying
> "set cpu 22B" tells the emulator to use 22 bit addressing - but it
> does not say how much memory the system has (it's possible to have
> 1mb of memory even though ~4mb is possible).
>
> Try using both "set cpu 22B" and "set cpu 2048K" - that worked here.
>
> It may well be that only "set cpu 2048K" is actually needed - I didn't
> try that by itself.
It works :-) :-)
Thanks for your help!
regards,
chris
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* David O'Brien wrote:
> This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before,
> but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the
> first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
> gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
> discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
> hardware.
> I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
Please don't. I love reading discussions of random old bits of
hardware, and such discussions have gone on on the PUPS list for a
long time.
--tim
> And in those cases, you loose as well. The RX02 uses a micro-engine to
> control the drive. No chip controller can switch density in the middle
> of
> the track, so RX02 floppies will forever be in the domain of RX02 drives
> only.
Funny thing. I read 'em on my PS/2. I Am Not Making This Up. No
prefabricated single-chip floppy controller, methinks...
-jtm
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> This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
> read this list for.
I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least
that's the impression I got from the headers indicating it was a direct
reply to his message), but that doesn't make much sense because what he
wrote about was *exactly* on target for what this list is about: Running
Unix on PDP-11's.
OK, his jabs at Solaris probably weren't exactly on topic, but let's
look at what else he discussed:
* The disklabel implementation on 2.11BSD and its roots in other Unices.
* The history of MSCP drivers in 2.11BSD and other BSD-derived Unices.
* Efficient use of DHQ and DHV async multiplexers in Unix.
* The history of sh, csh, and tcsh, some introduction to how they use
overlays on PDP-11 Unices, and the application of split I/D techniques
to their operation.
All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing
list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the
subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for?
--
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> > I thought there was a port of an early tcsh to 2.*BSD? Maybe I have poor
> > memory. Anyway, I believe that Minix has a very tiny editline(), which
> > could be squeezed into the 2.11BSD csh to give you command-line editing.
> Yup. There's a tcsh included in 2.11BSD; thing is, I'm partial to the
> Bourne shell. Hence, a project.
And did you try to do something with pdksh? It's smaller than tcsh
and it has filename completion and support for reentrant history
(contrary to bash)
look at ftp.cs.mun.ca:/pub/pdksh/
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:59:09PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> > This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
> > read this list for.
>
> I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least
Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed
directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware
discussion.
> All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing
> list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the
> subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for?
This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before,
but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the
first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
hardware.
I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
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>> > This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
>> > read this list for.
>>
>> I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least
>Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed
>directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware
>discussion.
Actually, Steven did a *very* good job at turning a hardware-oriented
discussion to issues very much related to the history and maintainence
of Unix.
Besides, if anyone here wants to really know about RX50 interleaving,
they should go read one of CJL's posts from the Lasnerian early 90's
to alt.sys.pdp8/PDP8-LOVERS about RX50 interleave. I swear, it was
a tome that was a good chunk of a megabyte long.
>> All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing
>> list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the
>> subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for?
>This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before,
>but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the
>first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
>gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
>discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
>hardware.
I view it the other way - the original posts offered little historical
insight, but the last one by Steven drew it very much back to Unix.
>I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
>guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
Indeed, there is a PDP-11 mailing list (info-pdp11(a)village.org) already,
gatewayed to the Usenet newsgroup vmsnet.pdp-11. To a large extent, though,
you can't blame members of the PUPS mailing list from occasionally straying
from "Unix in general" to the "PDP-11 in particular", because that's a good
part of what the list was originally created for (even though you might
not have joined until the The Unix Heritage Society solidified...)
If there was a more general "Unix Heritage Society" mailing list, would
platform-specific discussions be banned from that? I probably would be
bored to tears by any such restrictions, as there would be no opportunities
to give concrete examples.
Tim.
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On Friday, 9 June 2000 at 15:23:55 -0700, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 04:59:09PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote:
>>> This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
>>> read this list for.
>>
>> I *think* you wrote this in reply to Steven Schultz's message, (at least
>
> Yes, I wrote it in reply to Steven's message. Not it as not directed
> directly at Steven, it is for everyone that is engaged in this hardware
> discussion.
>
>> All of these are, IMHO, very worthy topics of discussion for a mailing
>> list about PDP-11 Unix, and they were all direct from the expert on the
>> subject(s). What else would a subscriber to the PUPS list be looking for?
>
> This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion. I didn't vote so before,
> but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two. I agree that the
> first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
> gained. But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
> discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
> hardware.
>
> I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
Well, FWIW this *is* the PDP-11 list. But I thought it was
interesting way beyond the PDP-11 aspect. Some of these things
(write-protected labels, for example) still shape FreeBSD, for
example.
I don't think we really have enough mail to justify two lists. Most
of us probably ditch more than 50% of their mail every day anyway; if
this doesn't interest you, why not just delete it?
Greg
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> Thanks to Michael for reminding me exactly what the situation with
> the optimizer and kernel builds under 4.3 is. Though I think he
> forgot to mention "inline" (ack! pffffft!)... :-)
We do use inline of course. I love it.
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This thread has gotten *way* beyond what I (and I'll bet many others)
read this list for.