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Which versions for 11/34 (Sep I+D space)

by rjm＠swift.eng.ox.ac.uk

It has been suggested to me that since the 11/34a MMU doesn't support separate instruction and data space, certain versions of UNIX are not suitable. Does anyone out there have any idea which versions of UNIX require separate I+D space? Cheers, Bob. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Manners Osney Laboratory rjm(a)swift.eng.ox.ac.uk Dept of Engineering Science University of Oxford 01865 246561 x 162 Try: http://swift.eng.ox.ac.uk Linux - the only choice "Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue, the last routes left to the American Dream" - Jello Biafra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Fri Nov 10 20:23:55 1995 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id VAA02565; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:23:48 +1059 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id LAA05761; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:23:57 +0100 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA01251; Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:23:56 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:23:55 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE To: rjm(a)swift.eng.ox.ac.uk (Bob Manners) Cc: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (OldUnix MailingList) Subject: Re: Which versions for 11/34 (Sep I+D space) In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.0.815999035.bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> > >It has been suggested to me that since the 11/34a MMU doesn't support >separate instruction and data space, certain versions of UNIX are not >suitable. Does anyone out there have any idea which versions of UNIX >require separate I+D space? Steve Schoultz is really the one to answer this question, but I seem to remember that BSD2.9 was the last version which worked on non-I/D-space systems. Johnny >From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Fri Nov 10 20:23:03 1995 Received: from sunic.sunet.se by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id VAA02562; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:23:08 +1100 Received: from Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (8.6.8/2.03) id LAA05690; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:23:06 +0100 Received: by Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/630, SunOS 4.1.2) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA01202; Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:23:04 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:23:03 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE To: risner(a)heathers.stdio.com (James Risner) Cc: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:19:36 EST Message-Id: <CMM.0.90.0.815998983.bqt(a)Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE> >Comer, had a XINU v7 like os with tcp/ip for the LSI11. >I have a dist of it, if anyone would like it in the archive? I think it should go there, anyway. Johnny >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> Sat Nov 11 02:46:36 1995 Received: from wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with ESMTP id DAA03199; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 03:46:56 +1059 Received: (from sms@localhost) by wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com (8.6.10/8.6.12) id IAA18106; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:46:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:46:36 -0800 From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> Message-Id: <199511101646.IAA18106(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com> To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, rjm(a)swift.eng.ox.ac.uk Subject: Re: Which versions for 11/34 (Sep I+D space) Bob - > From: rjm(a)swift.eng.ox.ac.uk (Bob Manners) > > It has been suggested to me that since the 11/34a MMU doesn't support > separate instruction and data space, certain versions of UNIX are not > suitable. Does anyone out there have any idea which versions of UNIX > require separate I+D space? The last version of UNIX for the PDP11 which stood a chance of running on a non split machine was 2.9BSD. I'd expect it to be a very tight fit though because even on a split I/D machine we ended up overlaying the kernel (but then even V7 took overlays to fit - which we hacked into the kernel, at least in the environment here). A long long time ago I did squish a V7 system into an 11/23 - not a pretty sight, each command you ran caused the others on the system to be swapped out (do a "ls -l" and watch the shell get swapped, when the 'ls' finished then the shell would be swapped back in, etc.) V6 would be a better match for a non-split (248kb max) machine. By the time V7 was out the 11/70 was being used as the development platform and split I/D was becoming more and more necessary. Steven Schultz sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com

29 years, 6 months

None

by risner＠heathers.stdio.com

Comer, had a XINU v7 like os with tcp/ip for the LSI11. I have a dist of it, if anyone would like it in the archive? Risner

29 years, 6 months

Disk image file --> RK05

by rjm＠swift.eng.ox.ac.uk

I posted this query to vmsnet.pdp-11 and alt.sys.pdp11, but following Warren's complaint that noone was talking on oldunix@minnie I'll ask you lot too ... I have on my PC hard disk a couple of rk05 disk images (from Warren's archive, naturally). Question is, how to get them onto a real rk05 ... the real PDP beats the emulator any day after all ... Naturally someone has workedout how to extract RK05 images to files to put on the archive site. I'm wondering if anyone has solved the reverse problem yet ... I could split up the file into moderate sized pieces (say 250k, RX01 sized bits), boot the PDP (RT11) off RX01 floppy, start kermit and transfer a file piece from the PC to the other PDP floppy drive. Then I could mount a fresh RK05 pack, format etc. and run some crafty code to write the file to the appropriate place on the 'raw' RK05 device. What do you think? Another correspondent mentioned that Kermit may be able to write to "raw" devices directly, allowing me to transfer the file all in one piece. I'm still waiting for confirmation of that -- seems a little unlikely to me, but I've been suprised before. My system is: 11/34a 1 x RK05 (2.5Mb removable type, RK05f I think - or is it j?) 1 x RX01 128Kword As you can see, backing store is in short supply ;) I'd sooner avoid writing too much Macro-11 at present, so if the problem is already solved, I'd love to know how ... Cheers, Bob. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Manners Osney Laboratory rjm(a)swift.eng.ox.ac.uk Dept of Engineering Science University of Oxford 01865 246561 x 162 Try: http://swift.eng.ox.ac.uk Linux - the only choice "Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue, the last routes left to the American Dream" - Jello Biafra ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Robin Birch <robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk> Fri Nov 10 04:11:19 1995 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.6.8/8.3) with SMTP id FAA29776; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 05:18:32 +1100 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-4.mail.demon.net id sg.af11673; 9 Nov 95 18:16 GMT Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk by relay-3.mail.demon.net id sg.aa05149; 9 Nov 95 18:16 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:11:19 GMT From: Robin Birch <robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <138(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk> To: oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Register of machines X-Mailer: FIMail V0.9d X-User: Alpha Test Version Of FI-Mail, DisWin 1.5C:\WINSOCK\WINDIS Dear All, I have just had a note from someone who wants to get RK05 stuff on to his system but might be in a position where his current setup can't do it. This sort of stuff might be helped if people submitted a register of what kit they have. This could allow people in reasonable geographic location to help each other out. FOr instance, if some one had a unix system that an rk05 could be plugged into then they could do this and then give the rk05's back once they had the stuff copied over. To start it off. I have: 1*11/73 (1.5MByte) 2*RD54 1*DHV11 1*TK50 Running 2.11 BSD. I also have 1*Compaq 386 (486 Cyrix chip) running FreeBSD I live in Gloucestershire UK and am willing to help anybody in copying stuff that I can. I can get access to 0.5inch mag tape RA60 and RL02 if necessary. Cheers Robin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Robin Birch EMail robin(a)falstaf.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

29 years, 6 months

Another PDP Unix program

by wkt＠csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au

Hi, Firstly, this old unix mailing list is damn quiet - I'm the only one talking. If you have any questions, ideas etc., mail them to oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au. I'm away all of next week for a holiday, but will be back after that. Steven Schultz has promised 2.11BSD for the PDP Unix archive, and I'm also talking with Keith Bostic, as he has some stuff of interest. There is also a new PDP-11 simulator; this one runs a.out binaries directly, and passes the syscalls directly to the native operating system. You can pick it up at: ftp://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/apout_2.1.tar.gz If anybody can fix the bugs mentioned in the README, please let me know! See you all again soon! Warren

29 years, 6 months

Licensed PDP Unix Archive ftpable

by wkt＠csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au

All, A few quick notes about the PDP Unix archive effort. Dennis has sent in Fifth Edition, and both he and Ken Wellsch have sent in Sixth Edition. I've set up ftp access to the archive of licensed stuff. To get in, email me and I will send you back a username/password plus details. Cheers, Warren

29 years, 6 months

None

by wkt＠dolphin.cs.adfa.oz.au

hello

29 years, 6 months

Canonical answer about getting v6 & v7 source

by wkt＠csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au

Firstly, welcome to some new members of the old unix mailing list. If you don't get this email, please let me know ;-) I received an email back from Dennis Ritchie about getting a v6/v7 license (for those who don't have one). Here is his full reply: From: Dennis Ritchie To: Warren Toomey Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 00:40:55 EST Subject: canonical answer about Sixth and Seventh Edition So far as I can determine, AT&T doesn't think it has the right to issue new licenses for any Unix editions, and won't do so. Several years ago, the Unix IP was transferred to Unix Systems Laboratories, at first as a mostly-owned subsidiary; USL was then sold to Novell, and recently Novell agreed to sell its Unix business to SCO (and HP is partially involved). As of the end of October 1995 this last sale had not been consummated. In other words, AT&T is out of the Unix business, and has been for some time; any licenses will have to come from the current owner. But the "current owner" is itself in flux, and I doubt that even before the latest sale, Novell was quite geared up to issue Seventh Edition licenses; I have no useful suggestions about how to obtain one officially (it might be interesting to try). Official sources in AT&T have said that they have no objection to reissuance of Lions's commentaries and source publication of the Sixth Edition. Dennis So it doesn't look like good news at the moment; I guess we could approach SCO and HP, and ask about trying to get licenses from them. I'll see what I can do. A few other people mentioned that they would like to get stuff from the archive of early Unixes that I'm maintaining, and how to prove that they have a license. I have no idea how to do this, any suggestions? P.S There isn't a Sixth Edition in the archive as yet, can anyone send me a distribution or bootable disk image? Cheers all, Warren Toomey

29 years, 6 months

Welcome to Old Unix maillist

by wkt＠dolphin.cs.adfa.oz.au

Hi, I've been merrily adding email addresses to the mail list on old Unixes and PDPs, so I thought I'd mail a message out to it in order to check that all the email addresses are correct. To send email to the mailing list, send to oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au. There is a Web page which describes the efforts to save all this old stuff, and it is at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ I'm building up a list of short biographies/relevant skills for both mailing-list-only use, and to put on the public Web page. If you haven't sent me a resume yet, check out the PUPS Web pages and see what you can come up with. Several people have asked about obtaining a legal copy of early Unixes. I don't have an answer as yet, but I have mailed Dennis Ritchie, who seems to be the person with the best answers at the moment. A few other people have asked ``What Unix runs on what hardware?''. I'll try to build up a list for Sixth and Seventh Editions and 2.9BSD, and perhaps Steven Schultz can send in a list for 2.11BSD. Anyway, welcome to this old Unix maillist. If you have anything that can go into the PUPS archive, please send it in. We have licenses here, so there is no problem with sending in licensed stuff. And feel free to send in questions and answers about this historic technology! Cheers, Warren Toomey wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au

29 years, 6 months

None

by None

90 20:47:42 CST Received: from sage.cc.purdue.edu by arthur.cs.purdue.edu = (5.61/PURDUE_CS-1.2) id <AA02152(a)arthur.cs.purdue.edu>; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500 Received: by sage.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/1.14) id AA23901; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:59 -0500 From: mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael J Spitzer) Message-Id: <9003290239.AA23901(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu> To: bob(a)cs.purdue.edu Subject: Heheh... Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500 Status: R To: dmr(a)research.att.com Subject: "Oregano" and Unix wizards Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 18:14:57 -0500 From: mjs =20 Dennis, As you may know, Unitech Software Inc. has been distributing "Unix Magic" posters at recent Usenix conferences. The poster shows a wizard that looks kinda like you mixing various Unix tools together to make a potion of some sort. The only thing that isn't obviously some sort of pun on an aspect of Unix is a canister labeled Oregano in the foreground of the picture. Is there some significance behind this, other than the obvious "oregano" double meaning? Did you guys really use "oregano" to help drum up your creativity for the original Unix development? Just curious. -mjs - - - - - - - - Return-Path: dmr(a)research.att.com

35 years, 1 month

re: "Oregano" and Unix wizards

by dmr＠research.att.com

The significance of its appearance is unknown to me. Perhaps it is a Berkeley addition? Dennis --Apple-Mail=_90ADF7E0-EE8E-4984-9710-CD16708E7D52 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/qMN1are.jpg" = class=3D"">https://i.imgur.com/qMN1are.jpg</a><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: = 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, = 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">=46rom = <a href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> Wed Mar 28 20:47:44 = 1990</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= from <a href=3D"http://arthur.cs.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">arthur.cs.purdue.edu</a> by <a = href=3D"http://oddjob.uchicago.edu" class=3D"">oddjob.uchicago.edu</a> = Wed, 28 Mar 90 20:47:42 CST</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; 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font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">    id AA23901; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:59 = -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">From: = <a href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> (Michael J = Spitzer)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Message-Id: <<a = href=3D"mailto:9003290239.AA23901@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">9003290239.AA23901(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a>></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:bob@cs.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">bob(a)cs.purdue.edu</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = Heheh...</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Status: = R</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = "Oregano" and Unix wizards</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 18:14:57 -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">From: = mjs</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><p style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">  </span><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Dennis,</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: = 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, = 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">As you = may know, Unitech Software Inc. has been distributing = "Unix</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Magic" = posters at recent Usenix conferences.  The poster shows = a</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">wizard = that looks kinda like you mixing various Unix tools together = to</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">make a = potion of some sort.  The only thing that isn't obviously = some</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">sort of = pun on an aspect of Unix is a canister labeled Oregano in = the</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">foreground of the picture.</span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: = 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Is there some significance behind this, other than the = obvious</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">"oregano"= double meaning?  Did you guys really use "oregano" to = help</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">drum up = your creativity for the original Unix development?</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Just curious.</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">  =       -mjs</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">- - - - = - - - -</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Return-Path: <a href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= from <a href=3D"http://inet.att.com" class=3D"">inet.att.com</a> by <a = href=3D"http://sage.cc.purdue.edu" class=3D"">sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> = (5.61/1.14)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">  =   id AA21912; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:27:13 -0500</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Message-Id: <<a = href=3D"mailto:9003290227.AA21912@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">9003290227.AA21912(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a>></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">From: <a href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:22:25 EST</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = re: "Oregano" and Unix wizards</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">The = significance of its appearance is unknown to me.</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Perhaps it is a Berkeley addition?</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">    Dennis</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; 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