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6532 discussions

by Warren Toomey

In article by Martin Crehan: > I found a web site: > http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ > that has Usenet postings dating from May 1981 to May 1982. the groups: > FA.unix-wizards > NET.bugs > NET.bugs.2bsd > NET.bugs.4bsd > NET.bugs.v7 > NET.sources > NET.tools > NET.unix > NET.unix-wizards > contain postings with information on the early days of Unix. > > Have you heard of any other places that have old Usenet articles. > Martin Crehan Does anybody know of other Usenet archives? There are some archives of comp.sources.* around. I've got much of the Minix and BSD newsgroups archived since 1992. I've also got 3 9-track tapes sitting here. One's labelled `News'; the others have labels: 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (mod) 25 feb 87 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (aus,comp,mod,net,news) 25 feb 87 I might try reading them in the next few days. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57011 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:26 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 30 11:29:26 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA57007 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA11320; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:31 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: VAX emulators In-Reply-To: <199908280413.VAA22151(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> from Martin Crehan at "Aug 27, 1999 9:13:15 pm" To: mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net (Martin Crehan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Martin Crehan: > Warren > > Keep up the good work. Have you heard of any VAX-11 emulators that we > could use to run some of the versions of unix for the VAX? > Martin Crehan No, I don't know of any free ones. I think DEC have one for the Alpha, but it's commercial. Does anybody know of a VAX emulator? I wonder if Bob Supnik would be working on one. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57118 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:50:02 +1000 (EST) >From Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> Mon Aug 30 11:49:47 1999 Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA57104 for <PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:49:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <990829214947.232006ae(a)trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: VAX Emulators Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >> Keep up the good work. Have you heard of any VAX-11 emulators that we >> could use to run some of the versions of unix for the VAX? >No, I don't know of any free ones. I think DEC have one for the Alpha, >but it's commercial. What DEC has for the Alpha to let you run VAX code is VEST, which is a translator, not a pure emulator. > Does anybody know of a VAX emulator? Well, during 1977-1978 VAX instruction set development was done on an 11/70 running an emulator. Does that count? :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA57425 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:29 +1000 (EST) >From Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Mon Aug 30 12:20:22 1999 Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA57421 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris@localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18883 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> X-Sender: norris(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Reply-To: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> To: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Unix 5th and 6th Edition Filesystems for Linux In-Reply-To: <199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990830115745.18933C-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I mentioned this to Warren a few months back, but I don't think I sent it out to the mailing list, so excuse me if I am repeating myself. Anyhow, I have hacked together a version of a Unix 5th (and 6th) Edition filesystem for Linux. It is read only, and was written for Linux 2.0 on an x86 and so will require a little work to install on other systems and newer kernels, but it is fun to be able to mount old disk images. Now only if I had the time to get it read-write ... [root@ebb disks]# ls -l total 2447 -rw------- 1 norris users 2494464 Feb 16 1999 ted_v6root [root@ebb disks]# mount -t u5e -o loop ted_v6root /mnt/u5e [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e [root@ebb u5e]# ls -l total 102 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1104 May 14 1975 bin drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1824 Aug 15 1975 dev drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 496 Aug 15 1975 etc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 hpunix drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 lib drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 32 May 14 1975 mnt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 rkunix drwxrwxrwt 2 adm sys 272 Aug 15 1975 tmp drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 u -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 28684 Aug 15 1975 unix drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 usr The source is sitting at http://www.maths.unsw.EDU.AU/~norris/software.html#u5e Untar the file into /usr/src/linux-2.0.XX/fs/u5e-0.2, make it, and stick the module into /lib/modules/2.0.XX/fs. Then mount your disk image with mount -t u5e -o loop <image> <mount point> Cheers, P.S. It is interesting to see that the GNU magic file is so up to date; [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e/lib [root@ebb u5e]# ls -la total 228 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 . drwxrwxr-x 10 adm sys 256 Aug 15 1975 .. -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 5064 Jul 18 1975 as2 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 15352 Jul 18 1975 c0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 21814 Jul 18 1975 c1 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 8188 Jul 18 1975 c2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 112 Jul 19 1975 crt0.o -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 17424 Jul 18 1975 fc0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 23822 Jul 18 1975 fc1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 136 Jul 19 1975 fcrt0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13810 Jul 18 1975 filib.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 340 Jul 18 1975 fr0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 14118 Jul 18 1975 liba.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 22042 Jul 19 1975 libc.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13958 Jul 18 1975 libf.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 27622 Jul 18 1975 libp.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 9982 Jul 19 1975 libs.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 3530 Jul 19 1975 liby.a -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 3144 Jul 18 1975 lpr -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 436 Jul 19 1975 mcrt0.o -rw-rw-rw- 1 root bin 8794 Jul 19 1975 tmgb [root@ebb u5e]# file * as2: PDP-11 pure executable c0: PDP-11 pure executable c1: PDP-11 pure executable c2: PDP-11 pure executable crt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped fc0: PDP-11 pure executable fc1: PDP-11 pure executable fcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped filib.a: very old PDP-11 archive fr0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped liba.a: very old PDP-11 archive libc.a: very old PDP-11 archive libf.a: very old PDP-11 archive libp.a: very old PDP-11 archive libs.a: very old PDP-11 archive liby.a: very old PDP-11 archive lpr: PDP-11 executable mcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped tmgb: very old PDP-11 archive -- Stuart Norris norris(a)mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA59473 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:57 +1000 (EST) >From Sergey Svishchev <svs(a)ropnet.ru> Mon Aug 30 21:15:51 1999 Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru (svs(a)d32-179.ropnet.ru [212.42.32.179]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA59469 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru by d32-179.ropnet.ru with for delivery to "pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au" id AA0209; Mon, 30 Aug 99 15:15:52 +0400 Message-Id: <19990830151551.22833@firepower> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:15:51 +0400 From: Sergey Svishchev <svs(a)ropnet.ru> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Source of early Unix information Mail-Followup-To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au References: <199908280450.VAA25771(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89 In-Reply-To: <199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I've also got 3 9-track tapes sitting here. One's labelled `News'; the > others have labels: > > 1600bpi tar > OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (aus,comp,mod,net,news) > 25 feb 87 > > I might try reading them in the next few days. If you do manage to read them, could you make INFO-VAX messages (if there are any, of course) available? I'd like to merge them with other INFO-VAX archives, for completeness. (I run a WebGlimpse-based searchable archive of classiccmp and INFO-VAX, URL below.) -- Sergey Svishchev -- <svs(a)ropnet.ru> -- http://mail-index.nice.ru/ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA60361 for pups-liszt; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:57 +1000 (EST) >From "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Tue Aug 31 00:45:04 1999 Received: from firewall.harker.com (IDENT:root@firewall.harker.com [192.102.231.125]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA60357 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [172.16.0.1]) by firewall.harker.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32678; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:51:29 -0700 Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA01191; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Message-Id: <199908301445.HAA01191(a)harker.harker.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Older versions of SunOS Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Visited your web page and looked at your page for SunOS and Solaris I can add more history: I believe the first public release of SunOS was 0.9 so I will start there SunOS Aprox Date Comments _____ __________ _____________________________ 0.9 1983 First relase for the oldest Sun1 CPU boards As I recall the Sun1 CPU boards were 68000 boards (Maybe 68010?) with 256Kb ram on board. This relase was a quick and dirty port of AT&T's version of UNIX, not BSD. No window system. I ran the very last tech support workstation running SunOS 0.9, a machine called onefive (the name as I recall referred to the hardware. 1.0 1984 (1983?) First relase for the new Sun2 CPU boards. 68010 CPU and no memory on the mother board Introduced Sun's SunTools window system. 1.1 1984-03-12 From SunOS 1.1 Installation Guide First stable SunOS release (or so I was told as we upgraded systems to 1.1) Required Rev N PROMS on the mother board 2.0 1985-04-15 From "System Administration for the Sun Workstation" Revision history: "First Customer release of this System Administration Manual" Support for Sun2/50 and 2/160 VME based workstations. First general release of NFS and NIS 2.3 1986-03-21 From SunOS 2.3 Upgrade tape (Photocopy of Proof tape from SQA) 3.0 1986-02-17 From "Writing Device Drivers for the Sun Workstation" Supports new Sun 3 68020 architecture. 4.0 1988-05-09 From "SunOS 4.0 Change Notes" "Key improvements incorporated by SunOS 4.0 include: * New system architecture that promotes system resource sharing and portability across different hardware platforms. * Share library facility that reduces program size and swap space requirements. * Resizable swap area for diskless clients * Secure networking through the use of RPC (Remote Procedure Call). * NFS (Network File System) replaces ND (Network Disk) for diskless client systems. The Effect of this is to make system administration easier and more flexible. * All of the $.3 BSD network changes are incorporated including TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) and IP (Internet Protocol) performance improvements and subnetting. * Automount facility that automatically mounts accessible remote filesystems as needed." Supports new Sun 4 SPARC architecture. 4.0.3 1989-04-24 From "Documentation Erata and Changes Pages For SunOS Release 4.0.3" 4.0.3c 1989-06-06 From "SPARCstation-1 SunOS 4.0.3 Sun-4c Release Notes" 4.1 1990-03-27 From SunOS 4.1 "Installing The SunOS" Hope this helps to fill out the timeline. RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. 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25 years, 10 months

Re: Primeval C compilers

by msokolov＠baryon.trailing-edge.com

Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> wrote: > Hi all, > I also asked Dennis if we could put his two old `primeval' C > compilers into the archive. He said: > > > I don't have a problem with copying the compilers, more or > > less as a mirror. I wonder if anyone will try to revive them? So are they now on minnie or not? If they are, then where? I just looked and couldn't find them. -- Michael Sokolov Special Agent International Free Computing Task Force Harhan Computer Operation Facility ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)baryon.trailing-edge.com

25 years, 10 months

Re: 4.3-QJ0 installation problem (was: no subject)

by msokolov＠baryon.trailing-edge.com

(I'm Cc'ing this to the PUPS list because the original message was, but this discussion belongs on the Quasijarus list. Please don't Cc follow-ups to PUPS, instead everyone who is interested in this discussion please send: subscribe quasijarus to Majordomo(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> wrote: > I've been trying to get 4.3BSD to run on my newly acquired MicroVAXII. > I followed the Ultrix route described in the docs in the pups tree. > > I get as far as: > > [...] > > 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #0: Fri Dec 25 14:22:17 EST 1998 > msokolov@polygon:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > [...] > > ra0 at uda0 slave 0: MICROP , size = 1303998 sectors OK, good, I see you've labeled your system disk. > ra1 at uda0 slave 1trap type 6, code = 2, pc = 80031b1c > panic: Arithmetic fault OK, trap 6 code 2 is integer divide by zero on the VAX. My obvious guess is that the disk has a garbage label on it and when the kernel tries to interpret it, it divides by zero and blows up. A garbage label is something worse than no label at all, because the label structure has a magic at the beginning, and trust me, the kernel does check it and it does not blow up with a divide by zero when block 0 is all zeros. Wilko, what exactly do you have in the label block of disk 1? If you've been following my installation instructions to the letter, that disk would be your Ultrix disk. My installation instructions call for labeling the BSD disk, but not the Ultrix disk. In fact, putting a BSD label on an Ultrix bootable disk would render it unbootable, as Ultrix has boot code where BSD has the label. This means that normally when someone follows my Ultrix-based installation procedure, BSD will simply view the Ultrix disk as unlabeled and make it one big partition a. You obviously have something else in there. > Exactly the same thing happens when I use 4.3reno instead of the Quasijarus > kit. Well, this at least means that this is not yet another one of my own bugs, so that's the good news. :-) But sure, the kernel could do with a few more label sanity checks so that it prints a nice error message instead of blowing up. I'll look into it. -- Michael Sokolov Special Agent International Free Computing Task Force Harhan Computer Operation Facility ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)baryon.trailing-edge.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA47798 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:50 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Sat Aug 28 13:58:44 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA47794 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA06231 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908280358.NAA06231(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: dmr's comments on releasing old code To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk All, Dennis Ritchie just emailed me with a URL about Dan Bricklin's efforts to release his original VisiCalc: http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcpostingreactions.htm The URL contains a link to an email from Dennis about his attempts to get the older UNIX source code, and the primeval C compilers, released: http://www.bricklin.com/history/dmrletter.htm Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA47821 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:03:48 +1000 (EST) >From Martin Crehan <mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net> Sat Aug 28 14:03:30 1999 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA47817 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:03:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gort (1Cust102.tnt2.covina.ca.da.uu.net [208.254.25.102]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13229 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908280403.VAA13229(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au From: Martin Crehan <mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Dennis Ritchie letter on releasing early Unix Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I ran across an interesting account from Dennis Ritchie on the process he went through to get us the SCO liscense for Ancient Unix: http://www.bricklin.com/history/dmrletter.htm Martin Crehan 9 PM PDT, August 27, 1999 mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA49114 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:36 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Sat Aug 28 21:08:29 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA49110 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id VAA07821 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908281108.VAA07821(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Primeval C compilers To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi all, I also asked Dennis if we could put his two old `primeval' C compilers into the archive. He said: I don't have a problem with copying the compilers, more or less as a mirror. I wonder if anyone will try to revive them? I've had a go at reviving them today, using V5 cc and tools. It's a real PITA I can assure you. I've got the last1120c compiler compiled, but I can't get it to compile itself. As soon as it sees line 16 in c00.c i = namsiz; it complains that the LHS isn't an Lvalue. I think I'll stop now, my brain is hurting too much :-) Ciao, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA50367 for pups-liszt; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:46:23 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

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by dmr＠plan9.bell-labs.com

To: Subject:, Re:, The, dsw, man, page, wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au , pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au CC: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:08:44 -0400 From: dmr To: Subject:, Re:, The, dsw, man, page, wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The A-news archive "man page" article that Fischer retrieved from Usenet of 1981, describing the original dsw, is authentic so far as I can remember. As the article suggests, the displayed man page is a construction, and didn't exist as such, but it indeed described what the ancestral program did. By a year or so later, as documented in the First Edition manual, the behavior and the name were already referred to as "ancient." My, how time passes. Dennis Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA42243 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:58 +1000 (EST) >From Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Fri Aug 27 19:47:02 1999 Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA42231; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id LAA30941; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:53:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31089; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:47:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Message-Id: <199908270947.LAA31089(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PUPS Users Mailing List), quasijarus(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (Quasijarus BSD Users Mailing List) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:47:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko(a)freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk [this was mistakenly sent to pupswork yesterday. sorry...] Hi there, I've been trying to get 4.3BSD to run on my newly acquired MicroVAXII. I followed the Ultrix route described in the docs in the pups tree. I get as far as: >>> boot dua0 2..1..0.. loading boot Boot : /vmunix 327184+102656+130352 start 0x23a8 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #0: Fri Dec 25 14:22:17 EST 1998 msokolov@polygon:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC real mem = 16773120 SYSPTSIZE limits number of buffers to 112 avail mem = 14949376 using 112 buffers containing 917504 bytes of memory MicroVAX-II tmscp0 at uba0 csr 174500 vec 774, ipl 15 tms0 at tmscp0 slave 0 uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 770, ipl 14 uda0: version 5 model 13 uda0: DMA burst size set to 4 ra0 at uda0 slave 0: MICROP , size = 1303998 sectors ra1 at uda0 slave 1trap type 6, code = 2, pc = 80031b1c panic: Arithmetic fault syncing disks... done Exactly the same thing happens when I use 4.3reno instead of the Quasijarus kit. Any ideas? Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by A. P. Garcia

> I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. I have nothing against the Supnik emulator whatsoever. I use it all the time. Before passing these changes on, however, you might want to verify that the licenses are compatible; begemot P11 is copylefted. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA40147 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:02:08 +1000 (EST) >From "A. P. Garcia" <apg(a)execpc.com> Fri Aug 27 10:01:41 1999 Received: from mail.execpc.com (dantooine-2-183.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.139.121]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA40139 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:01:55 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 259 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Aug 1999 00:01:41 -0000 Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990827000141.258.qmail(a)os-factory.whatever.localnet> From: "A. P. Garcia" <apg(a)execpc.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > It was a change to geni.c. The Begemot I have (2.3) had apparent mods > already done for FreeBSD, but I still had to hack geni to resolv the > underscores. it was a simple change though, as I recall. If it's not too much trouble, could you please give us more specific details? If not, I'll try taking a shot at it; I want to compile this under FreeBSD. Thank you. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA41334 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:09:14 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> Hi - Hi - :) > > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > > >Actually,I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. > > With a change to 'geni.c' or by editing the instab.s file? It was a change to geni.c. The Begemot I have (2.3) had apparent mods already done for FreeBSD, but I still had to hack geni to resolv the underscores. it was a simple change though, as I recall. > > For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt > > almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: > > DCOK = 1 asserted > > Yep - that's what I was seeing until I regenerated the instab.s file > by running 'geni'. The emulator would compile and link with a > manually edited instab.s file but simply would not run correctly. I tried the patches against the virgin begemot 2.3 code, and I'm still seeing the unresolved's due to underscores. Just FYI that they don't apply to the Flea-3.0-CURRENT. Thanks HEAPs tho ;) -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA38512 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:36:18 +1000 (EST) >From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> Fri Aug 27 02:34:39 1999 Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:2026@Zeke.Update.UU.SE [130.238.11.14]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA38503 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:36:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (bqt@localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23443; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:34:41 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:34:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> To: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <m3iu63plyh.fsf(a)shelbyville.oai.com> Message-ID: <Pine.VUL.3.93.990826183419.23125A-100000(a)Zeke.Update.UU.SE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 25 Aug 1999, Mirian Crzig Lennox wrote: > I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an > emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would > allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) RP06 are 176 MB... :-) Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by Joerg B. Micheel

On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ > ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA54368 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:19:58 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu Aug 26 09:53:30 1999 Received: from iaehv.iae.nl (iaehv.IAE.nl [194.151.64.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA54356 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:19:40 +1000 (EST) Received: by iaehv.iae.nl (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1520720F92; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:19:18 +0200 (CEST) X-UIDL: 66c16149f459f86a00562537e9612891 To: pb0aia(a)iaehv.nl Received: from minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.160]) by iaehv.iae.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03BD20F6D for <pb0aia(a)iaehv.nl>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34673 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34669 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:36 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA07610; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908252353.JAA07610(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> from "S. Akmentins-Teilors" at "Aug 25, 1999 2:13:40 pm" X-Old-To: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors: [Supnik emulator improvements] > Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing > any work? > -skots I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA54379 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:20:04 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the > clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it > was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow). The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running an emulator under non-RT ;) > > And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator > > working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be > > Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier > under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below > may be useful to you. Actually, I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. The compile has always been clean, but the program simply doesn't work. For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: DCOK = 1 asserted and goes back to the emulator prompt. That happens regardless of disk image used, etc... I can't effect anything other than these exhibitions. Perhaps somewith with access to 4.0-CURRENT, and who has worked with the code itself could find the time to figured it out? ;) -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34673 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:48 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu Aug 26 09:53:30 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34669 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:36 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA07610; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908252353.JAA07610(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> from "S. Akmentins-Teilors" at "Aug 25, 1999 2:13:40 pm" To: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors: [Supnik emulator improvements] > Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing > any work? > -skots I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA36011 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:26:58 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 15:26:27 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA36007 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:26:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA20951 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908260526.WAA20951(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're > all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running > an emulator under non-RT ;) Actually my problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs _very_ fast - the "PDP11" ends up being hours ahead of the real time after recompiling a kernel or two. p11 on the other hand tends to run slow - tweeking the device.c value was aimed at speeding up the clock. >Actually,I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. With a change to 'geni.c' or by editing the instab.s file? > For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt > almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: > DCOK = 1 asserted Yep - that's what I was seeing until I regenerated the instab.s file by running 'geni'. The emulator would compile and link with a manually edited instab.s file but simply would not run correctly. Since the same RP06 image worked with the Supnik emulator I knew it wasn't in the 2.11BSD area. Steven Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA36475 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:02:07 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) writes: > > So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that > > handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked > > tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet > > access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a > > DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. > > These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images > > I have. > > Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the > elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the > significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change > and/or what disk images are you using? I've changed nothing at all really as far as 2.11 goes. Worked just dandy even before my hacking. > I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an > emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would > allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) The complexities of begemot, and the relative ease of use of Supnik was the driving force behind my sticking it out with Supnik. I figured I'd make it do what I want, since I could make it work in the first place. Since I'm into the actual hardware emulation, as well as device drivers, it is fulfilling my need here until I ever get a real PDP-11 again. -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34419 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:17:34 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by staylor＠mrynet.com

Hi folks. Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the Supnik 2.3d emulator for the pdp-11. So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images I have. As well, I've tweaked the clock timing to significantly improve timekeeping for my machine. Also, I have been modifying an ANSI magtape util package (ansir/ansiw/survey) to deal with the mt images that the supnik package produces. Makes for easy exchange into RSTS, etc. Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing any work? And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be grateful if you could share the information and changes with me. Thanks and regards, -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA33694 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:55:06 +1000 (EST) >From Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> Thu Aug 26 07:52:22 1999 Received: from shelbyville.oai.com (IDENT:root@[204.57.59.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA33684 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:54:57 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mirian@localhost) by shelbyville.oai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08490; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 References: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> Original-Sender: lennox(a)alcita.com Organization: Alcita Technologies, Inc. Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:52:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: staylor(a)mrynet.com's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:13:40 +0000" Message-ID: <m3iu63plyh.fsf(a)shelbyville.oai.com> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) writes: > > So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that > handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked > tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet > access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a > DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. > These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images > I have. Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change and/or what disk images are you using? I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) -- Mirian Crzig Lennox Systems Anarchist Invest in America -- buy a Congressman! Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33801 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:12:04 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 08:08:53 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33797 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:11:55 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA18433 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Scott - Howdy! > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator > to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the Hmmm, the Begemot emulator is difficult to set up due to an inscrutable configfile format but it runs here under BSD/OS 4.0.1 after making a couple 'tweeks'. I wonder if the problems you're having are due to FreeBSD switching to ELF. At one time BSD/OS used a.out also and "P11" built/ran just fine - the the OS switched to ELF and P11 would no longer build. I had thought simply editing the instab.s would be enough but after doing that P11 wouldn't run right at all. What I did was add a "-u" option to 'geni' and then regenerate the instab.s file ("geni -u ...") _without_ the underscore characters present. The compiler no longer generates leading '_' characters so having them in the instab.s file causes problems. Regenerating and assembling instab.s cleared up all the problems I was having. Below are the changes I've made to P11 - some are specific to getting the various IOprogs to run under BSD/OS but the changes to geni.c are OS independent. THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow). > And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator > working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below may be useful to you. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com *** ./Utils/geni.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:01:39 1997 --- ./Utils/geni.c Thu Aug 19 21:07:56 1999 *************** *** 49,54 **** --- 49,55 ---- int code; /* current instruction code */ int ccc; /* current microinstruction count */ int coo = -1; /* what output to generate */ + int no_ul = 0; /* Don't generate leading _ */ int profiler_output; char *ul; /* the undeline character, if needed */ char *ofile; /* output file name */ *************** *** 123,131 **** int opt; set_argv0(argv[0]); ! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "vmpo:")) != EOF) switch(opt) { case 'v': verbose++; break; --- 124,135 ---- int opt; set_argv0(argv[0]); ! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "uvmpo:")) != EOF) switch(opt) { + case 'u': + no_ul++; + break; case 'v': verbose++; break; *************** *** 275,284 **** tab_out_i386as() { printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile); ! printf("\t.globl\t_instab\n"); printf(".text\n"); printf("\t.align\t2\n"); ! printf("_instab:\n"); for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) { printf("\t.long\t"); for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++) --- 279,288 ---- tab_out_i386as() { printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile); ! printf("\t.globl\t%s\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab"); printf(".text\n"); printf("\t.align\t2\n"); ! printf("%s:\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab"); for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) { printf("\t.long\t"); for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++) *************** *** 632,637 **** --- 636,646 ---- switch(coo) { case COO_i386as: + if (no_ul) + { + ul = ""; + break; + } case COO_sun_as: case COO_i386_aout: ul = "_"; *** ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:02:28 1997 --- ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c Wed Jun 17 22:16:50 1998 *************** *** 341,347 **** panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno)); bpf_ptr = bpf_buf; bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret; ! INFO("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret); } /* --- 341,347 ---- panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno)); bpf_ptr = bpf_buf; bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret; ! info("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret); } /* *************** *** 351,357 **** bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen); if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) { ! INFO("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen); ret = 0; } else { *pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen; --- 351,357 ---- bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen); if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) { ! info("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen); ret = 0; } else { *pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen; *************** *** 360,366 **** *more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end; ! INFO("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more); return ret; } --- 360,366 ---- *more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end; ! info("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more); return ret; } *** ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c.old Sat Jan 31 02:52:26 1998 --- ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c Tue Aug 17 19:47:37 1999 *************** *** 13,19 **** --- 13,21 ---- # include <sys/ioctl.h> # include <sys/select.h> # include <net/if.h> + #ifndef __bsdi__ # include <net/if_var.h> + #endif # include <net/if_tun.h> # include "epp.h" # include "../libutil/util.h" *************** *** 44,50 **** argv += optind; if(argc != 3) ! panic("need one arg"); parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]); parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]); --- 46,52 ---- argv += optind; if(argc != 3) ! panic("need two args"); parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]); parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]); *** ./Config/M-i386-bsdi.old Sun Oct 12 07:10:03 1997 --- ./Config/M-i386-bsdi Wed Jun 17 20:50:19 1998 *************** *** 27,33 **** * define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c) * If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie * is used only for the profiler output */ ! /* # define MAKE_GENIS */ # define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as" /* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */ --- 27,33 ---- * define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c) * If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie * is used only for the profiler output */ ! # define MAKE_GENIS # define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as" /* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */ *************** *** 43,49 **** /* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output * object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */ ! # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD /* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */ # define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include --- 43,49 ---- /* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output * object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */ ! /* # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD */ /* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */ # define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include *** ./device.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:17:24 1997 --- ./device.c Thu Aug 19 23:05:53 1999 *************** *** 7,14 **** * generic device support */ ! # define TINTERVAL 20 /* msecs between clock ticks */ ! typedef struct Async Async; typedef struct Timer Timer; --- 7,14 ---- * generic device support */ ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ typedef struct Async Async; typedef struct Timer Timer; Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33844 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:18:19 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 08:17:56 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33839 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:18:11 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA18523 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908252217.PAA18523(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> > Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the > elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the Hmm, I've been using Supnik's 2.3 emulator (on and off - I prefer running the real 11/73 though most of the time) and now that "vi" works (there was a bug in the "div" instruction which Bob fixed not all that long ago for 2.3) the emulator's more useful than it was. > significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change > and/or what disk images are you using? You might try using the 2.11 images from the PUPS CD instead. Create a "tape file" (the instructions are in the 2.11 distribution directory) and then use a "toggle in" bootstrap for the "mt" device. The config file I use for this is: set cpu 22B set cpu 2048K set rp0 rp06 set rl0 rl02 set rl1 rl02 set rl2 rl02 set rl3 rl02 set tm0 locked at rp0 rp0 at rl0 root.rl02 at rl1 usr1.rl02 at rl2 usr2.rl02 at rl3 usr3.rl02 at rk0 junk0.rk05 at rk1 junk1.rk05 at rk2 junk2.rk05 at rk3 junk3.rk05 at rk4 junk4.rk05 at rk5 junk5.rk05 at rk6 junk6.rk05 at rk7 junk7.rk05 at tm0 mt0 at tm1 mt1 # at tm1 /zip/mt0 Place your "2.11 boot tape file" (the 'makesimtape' program which is also available in the archive and on the CD is used to create Supnik emulator tape files) in to the file "mt0" and then follow the instructions in the setup/install documentation on how to boot a tape if you don't have tape bootroms (it's less than a dozen instructions you need to toggle in the octal for). Oh - and since the "RP06" disk is just an image to the host computer (to the PDP-11 it is a RP06 ;)) the image IS interchangeable between emulators - I've used the same RP06 image under both (obviously not at the same time) the Supnik and Begemot emulators. Works fine. The biggest problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs far far too fast (at least with a PPro-200 running the emulator) and after running for an extended period of time the PDP-11 system ends up several hours in the future. Steven Schultz sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33945 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:25:13 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Thu Aug 26 08:25:27 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33939 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:25:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA11280; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:27 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:27 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Message-ID: <19990826102527.A11262(a)begemot.org> References: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com>; from Steven M. Schultz on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ > ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA34224 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:57:38 +1000 (EST)

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